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Can a good Muslim be a good American?
A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith

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To: RightWhale
There is nothing to win, so America will not win. But there is always plenty to lose, and America will not lose.

It will lose. Europe is rapidly becoming Islamic by immigration> Africa has fallen already, in most cases. South America is being targeted. Soon enough we will stand alone in the world. Our actions of resistance will be thwarted by those who want us to be Gentle and Politically Correct.

Islam is very likely going to take over this globe.

On one side, you have fanaticism. Fanatics often prevail. In WWII, the only thing that saved us was that we were fanatical about our freedom.

We are no longer fanatical about our freedom. We have a dishwater-thin sense of urgency about preserving our lifestyle and freedom (such as it is).

I bet on the fanatic, every time.

941 posted on 08/14/2006 8:04:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Lazamataz; GunRunner
My point is that we do not have the stones to prevail over Islam.

We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with certain followers of Islam, but that is in no way the same thing.

Holy war might be what those crazies want, but we're not dumb enough to give it to them.

942 posted on 08/14/2006 8:04:57 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Wurlitzer
We need to define what can be classified and protected as a valid religion.

A great beginning to an American Inquisition. Nothing like going back to tactics used in the 12th century.

943 posted on 08/14/2006 8:05:20 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: highball
You'd do that to American citizens? Try to convert children away from their parents' faith?

So we cannot inter. We cannot investigate. We cannot prosecute.

And now we cannot even prostelyze.

Would you at least permit us to die quickly enough for the Islamics, or would you prefer they get a chance to make us suffer?

You are exactly to whom I refer, when I state that the politically correct have and will neuter us into defeat against Islam.

You, sir or ma'am, are the problem.

944 posted on 08/14/2006 8:07:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: highball
We are not at war with Islam. We are at war with certain followers of Islam.

You might have made a similar argument in the 1940's: "We are not at war with Nazism. We are at war with certain followers of Nazism."

It, too, would have been untrue.

945 posted on 08/14/2006 8:08:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Lazamataz

So you wouldn't have a problem with anyone trying to convert your kids away from your faith?

Really? That's okay by you? I hope I never see you on any public school threads....


946 posted on 08/14/2006 8:16:16 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Lazamataz

Take it up with the President, my friend, if you want a Holy War.


947 posted on 08/14/2006 8:16:54 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Lazamataz
My point is that we do not have the stones to prevail over Islam. We will not win. It is demonstrated every day on this forum -- the most hawkish among us are constrained by PC sensibilities and tender mercies directed towards those who would saw our heads off.

If "having the stones" means flying off in hatred against innocent Americans of a different faith, then Lord please save us from stones. There is no bigger hawk than I when it comes to nailing our professed enemies. But, just to clarify, I grew up in Dearborn. I taught school in Dearborn. I maintain ties back there. And I know too many good American Muslims to want to paint them all with your same dirty brush. This is not political correctness. Political correctness is born out of simple mindedness, sloganeering (e.g., your "Islam is the disease, death is the cure" nonsense), and a refusal to recognize reality. That describes your thinking to a T. I mean, think of what your saying. The president of Egypt, the Kings of Jordan and Kuwait have all been pretty good allies of ours in fighting Islamic fascism. But if they came to America, you'd put them in a concentration camp! My advice to you is to either overcome your mindless hate, or else occupy yourself with that basement short wave radio hobby of yours.

948 posted on 08/14/2006 8:19:32 AM PDT by zook ("We all knew someone in primary school who had a really powerful magnet")
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To: Realism
"A great beginning to an American Inquisition. Nothing like going back to tactics used in the 12th century

Great dumbocrap debating tactic you have.

Tell me one thing that is wrong in my simple test or do people like you support a false belief system based upon killing all other nonbelievers?

I guess in your world killing all nonmudslimes is OK. I guess in your world killing all who leave your death cult is OK. I guess in your world killing all those who disagree with your death cult is OK.

I have to guess at these 3 points because you refused to point out a single flaw in my simple test but just linked it to an "American Inquisition".

While people like you coddle those who would kill us or enslave us there are others who see the enemy for what it is and want it removed from our shores. Feel free to join them.

950 posted on 08/14/2006 8:26:14 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

So Muslims aren't humans. Not even those who are natural-born American citizens qualify?

I think your screen name might be catching....


951 posted on 08/14/2006 8:27:23 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Lazamataz; highball
You might have made a similar argument in the 1940's: "We are not at war with Nazism. We are at war with certain followers of Nazism."

This is quite possibly the most moronic thing I have ever heard.

The Nazis were a political party centralized in Germany. I hardly see how that compares to Islam. FYI, not all Muslims have long beards, wear scimitars on their hip, and plot to murder Americans.

952 posted on 08/14/2006 8:32:07 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

You might be interested in watching these videos.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1683259/posts

Note I am not anyone of the 'christian faiths' and the third video is not at all comforting to me as an American. Watch all three videos to be sure to keep the context of the information.


953 posted on 08/14/2006 8:43:22 AM PDT by EBH (Islam: A government ruled by or subject to religious authority.)
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To: Lazamataz; GunRunner
FYI, not all Muslims have long beards, wear scimitars on their hip, and plot to murder Americans.

I think Lazamataz might be surprised to learn that millions of Muslims are Americans.

954 posted on 08/14/2006 8:46:06 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: GunRunner
The Nazis were a political party centralized in Germany. I hardly see how that compares to Islam.

Pray, deny that Islam is in part a political movement.

Display for all to see, ignorance in abundance.

FYI, not all Muslims have long beards, wear scimitars on their hip, and plot to murder Americans.

Non sequitur. Not all Nazis had jackboots, wore Lugers on their hip, and plotted to gas Jews and rule the world.

955 posted on 08/14/2006 8:48:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: highball
I think Lazamataz might be surprised to learn that millions of Muslims are Americans.

Not at all. The infiltration of this religiopolictical movement has been quite successful.

956 posted on 08/14/2006 8:49:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Wurlitzer

Pretty intense, it's hard to make rational decisions when fear has taken over.


957 posted on 08/14/2006 8:49:27 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Wurlitzer

100% in agreement.


958 posted on 08/14/2006 8:49:33 AM PDT by auboy
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To: Lazamataz
Pray, deny that Islam is in part a political movement.

So what?

All major religions are, in part, political movements. So long as believers in those religions enter politics, their politics will be informed by their faith.

959 posted on 08/14/2006 8:53:09 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Lazamataz
Non sequitur. Not all Nazis had jackboots, wore Lugers on their hip, and plotted to gas Jews and rule the world.

Once again, you've lost me.

Are you implying that I'm not giving Nazis a fair shake?

960 posted on 08/14/2006 8:58:05 AM PDT by GunRunner
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