Can a good Muslim be a good American?

A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

[kabar]

You just trying to argue with me? What is up with you?

You initiated the challenge to a quote I had included in a posting to someone else. Your reference disputing it is from a Christian website. Islamic websites and some others like CNN say something different. It is a matter of controversy and I don't know if you really can get an objective answer. What's up with you?

[DManA]

Have you noticed that your moral equivalence ploy doesn't work? Have you wondered why people roll their eyes whenever you talk?

The same could be said about Christians.

[durasell]

Did you read what I wrote?

This is an open board known for its support of the policies of the President and readable anywhere in the world.

[durasell]

and oh yes, I can assure you that your views are not U.S. policy.

[Abd al-Rahiim]

I find that quote at face value to be violent, and I do not agree with it.

However, if by "Convert or Die" you mean that quote states that Islam is the only acceptable way, then I think you misunderstood it. The quote is against polytheism and makes no mention of the "People of the Book" (ie. Christians and Jews).

Yes, jihad can be in the context of a war. That's jihad bis saif and is only one of five.

From what I've read, I haven't seen any miracles from Muhammad. Being the last messenger doesn't endow you the ability to perform miracles.

It's connected to paying the poor due, but I've read several times of the need to take care of orphans and not cheat them.

[Abd al-Rahiim]

I have to correct you; they're called Muslims, not Islamics.

Quite frankly, I can't convince you, and you can't convince me, either. It's inherently flawed to use one religion to contradict another, which is what you're doing now.

The one thing that just amazes me is how some people here just can't realize that different languages have different words which mean the same thing.

So you think that Allah is not the same as the Judeo-Christian God. That's fine. But, and this is really just what I want, at least recognize that Allah itself is a word which is also used by Arab Christians and Arab Jews to refer to the God of Abraham. Their usage of Allah predates Islam.

[Abd al-Rahiim]

Muslims do not believe in the divinity of Jesus. Jews don't, either. Does this mean that Jews and Christians worship different Gods?

[DManA]

If I worship a God named Jesus, and you don't, we workship different gods. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

[Abd al-Rahiim]

It's interesting how you didn't answer my question but instead changed the topic.

[DManA]

I did answer your question.

[Abd al-Rahiim]

To clarify, according to you, Jews and Christians worship different Gods?

[DManA]

Those Jews that don't worship Jesus as part of the trinity are not worshiping God.

[Steve Van Doorn]

So you will take the word of CNN over a christen web site?

I take it your a muslim?

BTW- I don't believe in god.

[Steve Van Doorn]

"The Muslim extremists figure that by blending in with the rest of the Muslim community they can be safe. The problem with trying to be needles in the haystack is, if enough people get annoyed, the haystack will be torched"

That is very well put.

[Steve Van Doorn]

"My husband was stationed in the Middle East and watched American service men who accidentally bumped an Muslim woman on the street murdered before his eyes."

I am not clear with this story. Who got murdered and why?

[Steve Van Doorn]

"Certainly there are "Good" Muslims....but there is no one that can point them out consistently.
The same could be said about Christians. "

I don't know of any Christians murdering people in the name of their god? They used to do that hundreds of years ago but that is now over.

What are you talking about? How can you compare the two?

[kabar]

So you will take the word of CNN over a christen web site? I take it your a muslim? BTW- I don't believe in god.

It is not a matter of taking anyone's word. I would prefer an objective study since the "numbers" are politicized by various parties to promote different agendas.

I am not a muslim. I figured by your spelling of Christian that you were either an atheist or agnostic.

[SauronOfMordor]

However, if by "Convert or Die" you mean that quote states that Islam is the only acceptable way, then I think you misunderstood it. The quote is against polytheism and makes no mention of the "People of the Book" (ie. Christians and Jews).

Yes, Christians and Jews have a third option open, submitting to dhimmi status and paying the Jizya tax. But Christians and Jews do not have the option of "none of the above". They must convert, submit, or die

[tacticalogic]

However, if by "Convert or Die" you mean that quote states that Islam is the only acceptable way, then I think you misunderstood it. The quote is against polytheism and makes no mention of the "People of the Book" (ie. Christians and Jews).

And just how does that make it any better with regard to being a good American? Such a practice would be considered a religious freedom here, and following that stricture would make you guilty of murder. We don't consider murderers to be "good citizens".

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

So what do you propose to do with the 4 to 6 million American muslims?

Deportation of the Jihadists, Islamists, and their supporters (not the entire umma) would be a good start.