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Can a good Muslim be a good American?
A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith

I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.


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To: RobbyS

German-Americans in San Antonio were subjected to in 1917-1919.



Link? Additional info? Freepmail if you don't want to hijack thread.


821 posted on 08/12/2006 10:12:05 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: sinkspur

Very Few???

60-80 percent of Muslims support terror. (see above)

What planet do you live on...do you read the news?

You sir are not a conservative...you are another liberal troll thinking that somehow your ego will overcome the conservative right....what are you doing here at Freepers...?

Certainly you must know that there is NOTHING you can say or do that will change my mind or anyone elses.

Let those fingers fly dude....for naught.



822 posted on 08/12/2006 10:12:58 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: durasell
I never said I wasn't willing to fight for American ideals. I just said I wasn't willing to abandon those ideals.

You don't know what those are if you defend those who would tear them down...

823 posted on 08/12/2006 10:13:22 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

You don't know what those are if you defend those who would tear them down...




I want to make myself perfectly clear on this. No word games. Nothing cute.

We must defend America and the ideals and laws on which our country is based. We need to do this vigorously.
What we cannot do is allow ourselves to fall prey to the temptation of sacrificing those same ideals in the name of their defense.


824 posted on 08/12/2006 10:17:44 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
What we cannot do is allow ourselves to fall prey to the temptation of sacrificing those same ideals in the name of their defense.

Islam is nowhere near any of them...

825 posted on 08/12/2006 10:21:08 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I've got no answer then, if you feel a religion is fair game, somehow falling outside the protection of the laws of the U.S. on U.S. soil.


826 posted on 08/12/2006 10:29:13 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

In 1900, German-speakers in San Antonio outnumbered either English-speakers or Spanish-speakers. The German language was widely spoken; the area where Hemisphere is now was a German district. As a result of heavihanded intimidation by the "English" speaking of the German language was abandoned by many Germans after the war. By the end of WWII, German culktural institutions in the city had faded away.


827 posted on 08/12/2006 10:32:01 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

What the hell were Germans doing in Texas? Did I miss something in history class?


828 posted on 08/12/2006 10:33:20 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Probably. German companies began to colonize Texas during the period when it was an independent state, between 1836 and 1845. Germans continued to come into the area, mainly in an area within a hundred mile radius of San Antonio, in considerable numbers until the end of the century.


829 posted on 08/12/2006 10:47:37 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS

Interesting. Weird. But interesting.


On a side note, I once helped clean out a basement with a super on the upper east side and found a trunk loaded with nazi uniforms, newspapers, and even a cereal box with hitler on it. The super sold it to a collector to pay for a fridge/heating education.


830 posted on 08/12/2006 10:50:43 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

The German "Bunds" were quite popular in the US before WWII. Nazi propoganda in English was circulated. A map of the world showed where Germans were settled in large numbers. One of these places was Texas. I also recall reading in the same book where I found the map an article decrying Sherman's march through Georgia and the Carolinas, and boasting that German troops would NEVER resort to such tactics!


831 posted on 08/12/2006 10:58:43 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: sweet_diane

Their sh*t religion tells them they can lie to an infidel for any good reason.


832 posted on 08/12/2006 11:01:39 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: RobbyS

This was in the Yorkville section. The bunds actually had parades prior to the U.S. entry into WWII. The only good thing that came out of it is my super got to improve his life...


833 posted on 08/12/2006 11:02:42 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: markoman

Sorry to say , for the good of the whole some "good" Muslims must suffer along with the bad. I'm all for stopping ALL immigration from Muslim countries , deporting all non citizen Moslems and "students" FOR STARTS .


834 posted on 08/12/2006 11:03:58 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: durasell

Good , and when your head is cut off you can tell us all how you upheld American ideals.


835 posted on 08/12/2006 11:06:57 PM PDT by sonic109
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To: sinkspur
What is his evidence?

Funny and predictable. You invent a sourceless 99.5% figure, I refute it with a source, you demand evidence for the evidence.

Where did your figure come from?

836 posted on 08/13/2006 2:54:13 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: DManA
99.5% of muslim apologists just make it up as they go.

Yep.

837 posted on 08/13/2006 3:01:14 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: sneakers
Thank you for your kind words.

I was not the one that brought up the ovens and gas chamber scenario. Another poster posed the question to me and then refused to accept the truth of my answer.

I live in a very small Southern town. Almost immediately after 9/11 the Arab owned gas stations put signs on their doors saying Allah is the true god, and that other thing that they are always saying that means praise be to Allah.

My husband was stationed in the Middle East and watched American service men who accidentally bumped an Muslim woman on the street murdered before his eyes.

When he says that Muslims are to be greatly feared I believe him. So, I don't hate all Muslims, I fear them and what they want to do to the whole world.

We cannot afford to be selective in who we might think are the good ones or the bad ones is my point.
838 posted on 08/13/2006 3:13:31 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: sinkspur
Some Irish Catholics want to blow up Protestants. They don't represent my thinking, nor that of most Catholics.

If a bunch of Irish Catholics had taken to bombing protestant churches in the US in great numbers, it would not be long before the rest of the people in the US were fed up with Irish Catholics. And I'm speaking as a Catholic myself

The Muslim extremists figure that by blending in with the rest of the Muslim community they can be safe. The problem with trying to be needles in the haystack is, if enough people get annoyed, the haystack will be torched

839 posted on 08/13/2006 4:01:42 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: durasell
I've got no answer then, if you feel a religion is fair game,...

A criminal organization that even recruits in U.S. prisons... you did not read what I had originally said...

840 posted on 08/13/2006 5:12:48 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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