Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
We had less justification (for Japanese-American internment), than we do today.
That's not saying much, since there was no justification then.
Twice nothing is still nothing. Heck, we could have ten times the justification and still have nothing.
I agree completely with your friends assessment. The people who are dropping dimes on their pals of late aren't 'good' Muslims.
They are lapsed in one way or another, because they are in 'sin' when they turn in their own to authorities - especially infidel authorities.
Not only read the Constitution, I've read the Federalist Papers, the anti-federalist papers, and the pre-republic colonial statutes and justice of the peace manuals for the founding era. I have over eight book cases full of primary materials and I have a degree in history from Stanford. Want to compare credentials?
Well, of course, no phrase has been more abused than "turn the other cheek." Jesus certainly did not mean that Christians are to forego self-defense, or tolerate continual abuse.
His admonition had to do with revenge, with a "tit-for-tat" attitude that is always seeking to somehow balance the scales when we've been wronged.
I see nothing unreasonable about that.
"Anyone in the above groups actively works against America's interests to further their political agenda."
No more than those whow would deny American citizens life, liberty or property by virtue of their religious beliefs.
I wouldn't be in favor of rounding up all Muslims, sorry. I would be in favor of tossing out or arresting those who preach jihad, aka violence.
Wasn't meant to insult...it just seems your concern is hyperbolic and out of character.
The alternative is accepting as "Right" or "True" anything that the government says or does, simply because the government says or does it. That's worship of the State. Its XX Century expressions included International Communism, National Socialism, and Japanese Imperialism.
Okay professor, what part of the First Ammendment would allow the American government to criminalize Islam?
Not only read the Constitution, I've read the Federalist Papers, the anti-federalist papers, and the pre-republic colonial statutes and justice of the peace manuals for the founding era. I have over eight book cases full of primary materials and I have a degree in history from Stanford. Want to compare credentials?
And yet, after all that reading, you still think that the Founders somehow forgot to mention that Muslims don't have the same right to freedom of religion that the rest of us do?
Read the thread, Skippy. I'm advocating another amendment.
"I don't care what they do in Baghdad because I don't let Baghdad define freedom."
"define freedom?"
Well if you don't think we are in Baghdad for freedom; what the hell do you think we're there for?
the climate?
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you reeeeeeely are a waste of my time!
Well okay. I know these threads can get heated which why I hesitated before posting. I've never really trusted the government. My opinion that they'll preserve citizen's rights if there's another terrorist attack or bird flu,etc. is well...less than optimal. They won't. It's a question of how much. I've never expressed this opinion on FR before so yeah it doesn't seem a little out of character. I just don't advertise it the way some others do. I don't think the government is the complete enemy but I don't see it as my friend either.
But do you think that criminalizing a religion is in line with the intent of the Founders?
Really?
"Read the thread, Skippy. I'm advocating another amendment."
Good luck with that, Chief.
kelly, this is absurd.
If you think that Baghdad is the shining beacon of freedom, then you shouldn't have brought them up as an example of an oppressive society (in post #350).
You can't have it both ways.
Concentration camps?
Dog collars?
Stun belts?
Fire ants?
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