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Can a good Muslim be a good American?
A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith

I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: crushislam; embarrassingthread; fakeatheist; islam; islamicfascists; islamicnazis; islamisevil; muslim; muslims; peace; rop; trop; war; wot
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To: Abd al-Rahiim
Sadley muslims follow Mohammad that raped little boys and girls and is pure evil.
181 posted on 08/11/2006 7:54:14 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kellynla

Looks like you and I are pretty much alone one this issue.

It is very scary to me to see all of these bleeding hearts defend the enemy!


182 posted on 08/11/2006 7:54:29 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: CheneyChick

Do you mean the Amish?


183 posted on 08/11/2006 7:55:53 AM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: kabar
So what do you propose to do with the 4 to 6 million American muslims?

Why, submit, of course. We must turn our pagan lives over to Allah, and give to these 4 to 6 million trailblazers our wealth, spouses and children. We must ask forgiveness of merciful Allah (the moon god,) praise to Him and his one, true prophet, Muhammad. We must submit to the rule of a stone-age culture, live in squalor, and slice our live expectancy in half.

Our last act as a repentant nation of multiculturalism is renounce the U.S. Constitution and adopt Sharia Law, praise unto Allah.

The alternative, Allah forbid, is cordially escort the followers of the religion of peace to the nearest exits and just as cordially invite them back when the religion of Islam universally renounces the position of jihad against the infidels; renounces Sharia law; adopts the dogma of peaceful coexistence; and, finally, rejects the concept of a Caliphate while accepting ANY other form of governance.

Too stark? Too harsh?

184 posted on 08/11/2006 7:56:40 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: wita
There was not a lot of logic applied to the internment, but it was thought to be a necessity of war, and war causes lots of such decisions to be made. Eventually, when survival isn't the guiding light, things work out.

The bottom line was that it was wrong. Hysteria and prejudice took over. In some respects as an unintended consequence, it probably protected the Japanese-Americans from indiscriminate acts of retaliation against them. If loyalty was so important, then why include them in the military. The very fact that they were willing to fight for a country that put them into internment camps shows how wrong it really was.

185 posted on 08/11/2006 7:57:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I feel sorry for you!


186 posted on 08/11/2006 7:57:21 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: Old Student
Maybe it helps to belong to a church that says the U.S. Constitution was inspired by God.

I don't know what that church would be ... but I certainly don't belong to it. I don't want to, either.

187 posted on 08/11/2006 7:57:52 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Ace of Spades

What I said was being a Christian is what keeps me from wanting to put all Muslim's in the gas chambers and ovens.


188 posted on 08/11/2006 7:57:59 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Agent Smith
he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Yet he can cite no instances.

189 posted on 08/11/2006 7:58:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: mariabush
Looks like you and I are pretty much alone one this issue.

See my profile page.

190 posted on 08/11/2006 7:58:41 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (Lt. Bruce C. Fryar USN 01-02-70 Laos)
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To: Old Student
Maybe it helps to belong to a church that says the U.S. Constitution was inspired by God.

What church believes that? I certainly don't believe that.

I believe that the Constitution was written by men who were aware of the role of God in their lives and wanted to extend that, but the Constitution is a secular document.

And it was meant to be secular. There is not one mention of God in the Constitution.

191 posted on 08/11/2006 7:58:53 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: durasell

LOL


192 posted on 08/11/2006 7:59:01 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: kabar
I don't accept generalizations and stereotypes that smear 1.2 billion people, the vast majority of whom are peaceful and not terrorists.

Yes, you do.

How many do you actually know personally, enough to really know their heart-of hearts? 20, maybe a few more ? Less than 100 in all likelyhood. 20, out of 1.2 billion, yet you "Know" the vast majority of them are peaceful and not terrorists (your words).

That claim, based on your knowledge of only a few, is, by any reasonable definition, a generalization.

It's your generalization. Others have theirs.

193 posted on 08/11/2006 7:59:31 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: durasell; BigDonut
This proposal is so un-Constitutional as to be ludicrous, and it makes me sad that posters on a site devoted to freedom would advocate it.

It's not un-Constitutional to discriminate against non-citizens on the basis of national origin or religion when it comes to immigration matters, nor should it be. Non-citizens are here at our sole and sovereign pleasure. We can keep out the nationals of any country we wish, or the followers of any religion we wish, without appeal or explanation. If we permit them the privilege of living amongst us, we can later expel them for any reason or no reason at all. If they commit a crime, they should be on the next flight out after they have served their sentence. If they mouth off about jihad in Friday mosque, we ought to be shipping them out too.

194 posted on 08/11/2006 7:59:48 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: frogjerk
Most of the Germans who carried out Hitler's orders were Christians.

The "religion" of the SS was pagan and occultic.

Certainly many Christians acquiesced in the face of this evil, but it's ridiculous to portray Nazism as a Christian movement.

Nazi mysticism is a quasi-religious undercurrent of Nazism; it denotes the combination of Nazism with occultism, esotericism, cryptohistory, and/or the paranormal. It generally ascribes a religious significance to the person of Adolf Hitler and his doctrine.

Nazi mystical philosophies include Ariosophy, Armanism, Theozoology, Armanen-Orden, Artgemeinschaft, Esoteric Hitlerism, and the Tempelhofgesellschaft.

Conversely, jihad is a religious obligation for Mohammedans.

Ask the Imam.

The imam also understands correctly that there can never be scope for a democratic rule from the Islamic point of view

195 posted on 08/11/2006 8:00:30 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: mariabush
It is very scary to me to see all of these bleeding hearts defend the enemy!

"The enemy?"

We're talking about innocent men, women and children here. People who have committed no crime. They are not "the enemy."

I would suggest that a person who wants to throw innocent people in "the gas chambers and ovens" solely because of their religion is the real enemy of America.

196 posted on 08/11/2006 8:01:01 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: farmer18th
North America after Christianity: peace, industry, prosperity, freedom.

It took some time to get there from the landing of the Mayflower in 1620. In the interim, there were wars, slavery, segregation, death, and destruction.

197 posted on 08/11/2006 8:01:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Muslims weren't behind the two most destructive wars in history, i.e., WWI and WWII.

Not relevant to the discussion.
198 posted on 08/11/2006 8:01:27 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: massadvj
Satanic Verses surely hit a sore spot when it was published.

Something about flak and being over the target.

199 posted on 08/11/2006 8:01:39 AM PDT by auboy
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To: mariabush
We will figure this thing out and we will prevail. But Americans are neither idiots nor nazi savages.
200 posted on 08/11/2006 8:02:02 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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