Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
The question that is glaringly terrifying to people who care more about Islamic sensiblities than self-defense
Keep posting nonsense like that, and not even the lurkers will take you seriously anymore.
I have not said that. I have not even implied it.
It's not about "sensibilities." It's about whether or not one respects the Constitution, or ignores it when it is determined inconvenient.
I personally am among the former. I love our freedoms far too much to trade them for a little temporary safety.
I agree.
It is up to you to offer evidence that they do. And a quote from the Koran does not suffice.
I think you're confusing me with someone else. Here's what I originally posted to you:
"I agree with you. Where is the evidence that most of the world's Muslims are dreaming of death and destruction? Though Islam has a history of violence, I just don't buy that most of its adherents are much different from the other six billion people of the world who simply want to raise a family and live a good life."
"Exactly. The main point of Islam as with all other faiths is to submit to God. Literalists can and do find religious justification for their own pathologies, but I see no evidence that this group constitutes anything close to a majority of Muslims."
For some reason, it's easy to get mixed up on this thread!
And why should we believe any statistic or figure given us by CAIR, an organization whose sole purpose is to disseminate progaganda and dissinformation?
I don't. They have a motive for overstating the numbers.
One writer (name escapes me) said that Muhammed and his religion simply gave cover to all of the favorite sins of the Arabs. That is why Islam by no means appeals to the "better angels" of human nature, but rather to the basest. It is why it appeals esp., to young men, criminals, Nazis, ex-Commies, and other groups who revel in violence and destruction. It is made to order for them.
Well your experience with Muslims is totally different than mine. I have been cheated by them and have been subjected to endless sniveling about how wonderful the Mullahs are in Iran and how stinking low the Jews are. Give me a friking break, man.
There is absolutely NOTHING 'temporary' about the threat of Islam.
And I notice you chose not to comment on the fact that the temporary loss of rights by the Japanese DURING WARTIME did not destroy the Constitution .
I sincerely wish that all who blindly trust Muslims( like judges who trust criminals to 'reform') would be forced to adopt a Muslim family or two and be legally responsible for whatever they do. Heck- why not sponsor some Muslims who want to come to this country?
Wait until their voting power grows and they REALLY affect the Constitution. Or would the legal procedure that results in amendements allowing the Islamification of this country be ok with you because it was voted upon and all the rules were followed? Procedure is more important than outcome?
I promise you that Islamic alterations of our government and way of life will not go away like the Japanese camps did.
Sounds like you are already a nice little dhimmi. Have you put away your sytlish yellow sash, or do you only wear it around your Muslim buddies?
A little revisionist history. Neither the Catholic church (Bavarians) or the Luthern church did much to prevent the holocaust or the concentration camps. It doesn't matter whether those executed were Jewish or not. The Nazis were responsible for about 30 million deaths.
The Nazis had chaplains in the military. Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."
Check this out:The following photos provide a pictorial glimpse of Hitler, how his Nazis mixed religion with government, and the support for Hitler by the Protestant and Catholic Churches in Germany.
There is absolutely NOTHING 'temporary' about the threat of Islam.
And I notice you chose not to comment on the fact that the temporary loss of rights by the Japanese DURING WARTIME did not destroy the Constitution .
It sure weakened it. When we give away our freedoms to the government, it weakens the Consitution.
Interesting. You don't seem to recognize Franklin's words. But you have made an even more revealing post - if you think that the threat is never-ending, as you do, then when shall we get back these freedoms that you seem so eager to cede?
LOLO. Episcopalians don't wear yellow sashes.
LOLO. Episcopalians don't wear yellow sashes.
LOLO. Episcopalians don't wear yellow sashes.
LOL. Episcopalians don't wear yellow sashes.
LOL. Episcopalians don't wear yellow sashes.
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Sorry to butt in...but...you being a Professor...of what I have no idea...I hardly believe you will fight anything for anyone....if your so called American Fascists start rounding up muslims...I hardly doubt you will pick up a physical weapon and fight them...your weapon will be a war of wasted words....and if you do start seeing the light...I'm not sure anyone on our side will want anything to do with you..as you were part of the problem that got us to that point....
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