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God's Chosen People (Destruction of Israel called for by famous Norwegian writer)
Norsk Israel Senter (Translation of original Aftenposten article) ^ | August 5, 2006 | Jostein Gaarder

Posted on 08/10/2006 8:12:09 AM PDT by Basel2005

Israel is now history. We no longer recognize the State of Israel. There is no way back. The State of Israel has raped the world's recognition and will not achieve peace until it lays down its arms. The State of Israel, in its present form is history, writes Jostein Gaarder.

There's no turning back. It's time to learn a new lesson: We no longer recognize the State of Israel. We could not recognize the apartheid regime of South Africa, nor did we recognize the Afghani Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the Serbs' ethnic cleansing. We need to get used to the idea: The State of Israel, in its current form, is history.

We don't believe in the notion of God's Chosen People. We laugh at this people's capriciousness and weep at its misdeeds. To act as God's Chosen People is not only stupid and arrogant, but a crime against humanity. We call it racism.

Limits to tolerance

There are limits to our patience, and there are limits to our tolerance. We do not believe in divine promises as a justification for occupation and apartheid. We have left the Middle Ages behind. We laugh uneasily at those who still believe that the god of flora, fauna and the galaxies has selected one people in particular as his favorite and given it silly, stone tablets, burning bushes and a license to kill.

We call baby killers "baby killers" and will never accept that people such as these have a divine or historic mandate excusing their outrages. We just say: Shame on all apartheid, shame on ethnic cleansing and shame on every terrorist strike against civilians whether carried out by Hamas, the Hezbollah or the State of Israel! Unscrupulous art of war

We acknowledge, and pay heed to, Europe's deep responsibility for the plight of the Jews, for the disgraceful harassment, the pogroms and the Holocaust. It was historically and morally necessary for the Jews to get their own home. However, the State of Israel, with its unscrupulous art of war and its disgusting weapons, has massacred its own legitimacy. It has systematically flaunted International Law, international conventions, and countless UN resolutions and can no longer expect protection from the same. It has carpet bombed the recognition of the world. But fear not! The Tribulation will soon be over. The State of Israel has seen its Soweto.

We are now at the watershed. There's no turning back. The State of Israel has raped the recognition of the world and shall have no peace until it lays down its arms. Without defense, without skin

May the spirit and the word blow the apartheid walls of Israel down. The State of Israel does not exist. It is now without defense, without skin. May the world therefore have mercy upon the civilian population; for our prophecies of doom are not aimed at the civilian individuals.

We wish the people of Israel well, nothing but wellness, but we reserve the right to not eat Jaffa oranges as long as they are foul tasting and poisonous. It was endurable for some years to live without eating the blue grapes of apartheid.

They celebrate their triumphs

We don't believe that Israel grieves any more for the forty killed Lebanese children than it has wailed over the forty years spent in the desert three thousand years ago. We note that many Israelis celebrate such triumphs in the same manner they once cheered the plagues of the Lord as "fitting punishment" for the people of Egypt. (In that tale, the Lord God of Israel appears as an insatiable sadist.) We ask ourselves if most Israelis think that one Israeli life is worth more than the forty Palestinian or Lebanese lives.

For we've seen pictures of little Israeli girls writing hateful greetings on the bombs about to be dropped on the civilian populations of Lebanon and Palestine. The little Israeli girls are not cute when they strut with glee at the death and torment on the other side of the fronts. The retribution of blood vengeance

We do not recognize the rhetoric of the State of Israel. We do not recognize the spiral of retribution and blood vengeance that comes with "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth." We do not recognize the principle of ten or a thousand Arab eyes for one Israeli eye. We do not recognize collective punishment or population thinning out as a political weapon. Two thousand years have passed since a Jewish rabbi criticized the ancient doctrine of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."

He said: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." We do not recognize a state founded on anti-humanistic principles and on the ruins of an archaic national and warlike religion. Or, as Albert Schweitzer expressed it: "Humanitarianism consists of never sacrificing a human being for a cause." Compassion and forgiveness

We do not recognize the old Kingdom of David as a model for the 21st century map of the Middle East. The Jewish rabbi claimed two thousand years ago that the Kingdom of God is not a martial restoration of the Kingdom of David; the Kingdom of God is within us and amongst us. The Kingdom of God is compassion and forgiveness.

Two thousand years have passed since the Jewish rabbi disarmed and thoroughly humanized the old rhetoric of war. Even in his time, the first Zionist terrorists were operating.

Israel doesn't listen

For two thousand years, we have rehearsed the syllabus of humanism, but Israel doesn't listen. It wasn't the Pharisee who helped the man who lay by the wayside, having fallen prey to robbers. It was a Samaritan; today we would say, a Palestinian. We are humans firstly - then Christian, Muslim, or Jew. Or as the Jewish rabbi said: "And if you greet your brethren only, what more do you do than others?" We do not accept the kidnapping of soldiers. But neither do we accept the deportation of whole populations or the abduction of legally elected parliamentarians and government ministers.

We recognize the State of Israel of 1948, but not the one of 1967. It is the State of Israel that fails to recognize, respect or defer to the internationally lawful Israeli state of 1948. Israel wants more - more water and more villages. To obtain this there are those who want, with God's assistance, a final solution to the Palestinian problem. 'The Palestinians have so many other countries', certain Israeli politicians have argued; we have only one.

The U.S. or the world?

Or as the foremost protector of the State of Israel puts it: "May God continue to bless America." A little child took note of that. She turned to her mother, saying: "Why does the President always end his speeches with 'God bless America'? Why not, 'God bless the world'?"

Then there was a Norwegian poet who let out this childlike sigh of the heart: "Why doth Humanity so slowly progress?" It was he who wrote so beautifully of the Jew and the Jewess. But he rejected the notion of God's Chosen People. He personally liked to call himself a Muslim.

Calmness and mercy

We do not recognize the State of Israel. Not today, not as of this writing, not in the hour of grief and wrath. If the entire Israeli nation should fall to its own devices and parts of the population has to flee their occupied areas into another Diaspora, then we say: May their surroundings stay calm and show them mercy. It is an eternal crime, without mitigating circumstances, to lay hand on refugees and a stateless people.

Peace and free passage for the evacuating, civilian population no longer protected by a State. Shoot not at the fugitives! Take not aim at them! They are vulnerable now -- like snails without shells, vulnerable as slow caravans of the Palestinian and Lebanese refugees, defenseless as the women, children and elderly of Qana, Gaza, Sabra and Shatilla. Give the Israeli refugees shelter; give them milk and honey!

Let not one Israeli child pay with his life. Far too many children and civilians have already been murdered.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel
KEYWORDS: antisemitic; antisemitism; barf; barfalert; nazi; norway; quisling; theophobia
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To: marron

"It wasn't the Pharisee who helped the man who lay by the wayside, having fallen prey to robbers. It was a Samaritan; today we would say, a Palestinian."

Actually, Samaritans were inhabitants of Judah at the time of the split between North and South. They were considered apostate by the southern Israelites, but they certainly weren't "Palestinians". Samaratans were Jewish, they even built their own Temple, which they considered to be the true Temple of Israel.


21 posted on 08/10/2006 9:00:36 AM PDT by linear (Zealotry paints in black and white; evil sees only gray.)
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To: Basel2005

This man not only doesn't have a clue, he is evil! Absolutely sickening read.


22 posted on 08/10/2006 9:01:55 AM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Basel2005

Please post a barf alert to this article.


23 posted on 08/10/2006 9:02:04 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Basel2005
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The only way to combat this kind of crap is to show your support for Israel.  Wear it proud.  That's what will frighten these kooks.

24 posted on 08/10/2006 9:03:04 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Basel2005


This Gaardner is truly a sick and morally absent man. If the name of the author was not posted, I would have thought that it was Ahmedinejad or Nasrallah. It is also very reminiscent of a speech that might have been heard in 1930s Germany.


25 posted on 08/10/2006 9:15:39 AM PDT by FarRightFanatic
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To: Publius6961
I agree his protestations are more appropriate to radical Islam than to the Jews. An Arab can live in Israel and be accorded respect and safety but a Jew or a Christian living in a Muslim country will be persecuted. The problem is Islam not the Jews. Even if there were no Jews in the world Islam would be at war with any culture that refuses to submit to its will i.e. the Philippines , India, Indonesia etc. and a host other nations where Islam has displayed its intolerance and its hate.
26 posted on 08/10/2006 9:16:12 AM PDT by Courdeleon02
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; albyjimc2; Alexander Rubin; ...
Vikdun Quisling Alert

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

27 posted on 08/10/2006 9:24:27 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 79-82)
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To: Basel2005

QUISLING lives on!!!!


28 posted on 08/10/2006 9:25:12 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: hellinahandcart; leilani

From one of the reader reactions:


Middle East researcher Hilde Henriksen Waage was hardly surprised by the reaction provoked by Jostein Gaarder.

"If I had read Jostein Gaarder's article before it went to print I would have, pointedly, advised him: Get police protection, get a lawyer and leave the country," Henriksen Waage told Aftenposten.no.


http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1414428.ece


29 posted on 08/10/2006 9:31:38 AM PDT by bwteim
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To: Gingersnap
Ironically, it's writers like this guy who will be at the head of the line when Europeans are offered the "convert or die" option.

Oh, he'll convert happily in the name of multiculturalism.
Then he'll lapse back into secularism and be killed.

30 posted on 08/10/2006 9:34:03 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Basel2005

I would find it interesting to read what others are saying about this person. Maybe we can have a follow-up on it.


31 posted on 08/10/2006 9:39:04 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Basel2005
Everything the man says is wrong. He's stuck on stupid, stuck in a mindset that denies the bloodthirsty, bellicose nature of Islamofascism.

But he represents an interesting phenomenon. One which Israel and its supporters would do well to recognize. His statement demonstrates a new emboldenment among Israel's foes, an expression of intensity that has become more widespread since 911. More widespread and more acceptable in some quarters.

From 1948, when Israel was founded, to 2001, the tiny country experienced fifty years of war. 911 changed many things, among them the role of the US in the long conflict. With that changed role for the most powerful nation in the world came increased intensity in opinion, an example of which we see expressed above in its most anti-Semitic form.

My point is simply this: The conflict cannot withstand another fifty years at increasing levels of intensity. Something's got to give -- and soon. Let's hope our leaders are skillful enough to devise strategies that force the Islamofascists to give -- not a certain outcome -- else Israel may be facing the very existential crisis the author above predicts.

Statements like the one I've made are usually heavily denounced on this forum, but to me, given the history in the region, the demographics there, and all that's happened and is happening now, my opinion is merely a pragmatic appraisal of the situation.

32 posted on 08/10/2006 9:39:39 AM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Nachum

There's plenty here:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/


33 posted on 08/10/2006 9:44:20 AM PDT by Basel2005
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To: hellinahandcart

In the meantime

Missing passport fears: The number of missing Norwegian passports is approaching 100,000 and the National Criminal Investigation Service (NCIS) fears that most of these are in criminal hands.

"there is no clear overview of how big this problem is....

The NCIS fears that many of Norway's missing passports are being misused, and they are particularly attractive since Norwegian citizens can travel visa-free to so many countries."

From same newspaper

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1417042.ece


34 posted on 08/10/2006 9:44:40 AM PDT by bwteim
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To: Basel2005
To act as God's Chosen People is not only stupid and arrogant, but a crime against humanity. We call it racism.

Tell that to Ahmadinejad. ;)

35 posted on 08/10/2006 9:45:47 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Basel2005

Thank you for that link. It is nice to see what others have written in response.


36 posted on 08/10/2006 9:50:16 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This one is particularly good

Irresponsible word play: After the international furor sparked by author Jostein Gaarder's harsh criticism of Israel's policy in Lebanon, Professor Odd-Bjørn Fure was asked about how to conduct such a discussion without providing fodder for anti-Semitism.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1417276.ece


37 posted on 08/10/2006 9:52:15 AM PDT by bwteim
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To: Alouette

My first thought exactly - more crap from the land of Quisling.


38 posted on 08/10/2006 9:53:15 AM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: Basel2005

This norwegian "author" has eaten way too many pickled herring....


39 posted on 08/10/2006 9:55:09 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: Basel2005
May the world therefore have mercy upon the civilian population; for our prophecies of doom are not aimed at the civilian individuals.

There is no such entity as "the world", not in the way this author uses the term.

Yes, there is a planet, and people who live on it, but they exist in multiple political communities.

They cannot act together, whether to show mercy, or to sow devastation.

One of these political communities is now dedicated to the extermination of another. Rendering the target defenseless simply means that the target will be destroyed.

What a load of BS.

40 posted on 08/10/2006 10:02:19 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.)
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