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Israel's vaunted tanks are succumbing to Hezbollah's powerful missiles
AP ^ | Aug. 4, 2006 | Benjamin Harvey

Posted on 08/05/2006 3:28:44 AM PDT by robert jones

JERUSALEM – Hezbollah's sophisticated anti-tank missiles are perhaps the guerrilla group's deadliest weapon in Lebanon fighting, with their ability to pierce Israel's most advanced tanks.

Experts say this is further evidence that Israel is facing a well-equipped army in this war, not a ragtag militia.

Hezbollah has fired Russian-made Metis-M anti-tank missiles and owns European-made Milan missiles, the army confirmed on Friday.

In the last two days alone, these missiles have killed seven soldiers and damaged three Israeli-made Merkava tanks – mountains of steel that are vaunted as symbols of Israel's military might, the army said. Israeli media say most of the 44 soldiers killed in four weeks of fighting were hit by anti-tank missiles.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; israel; merkava; tank
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81 posted on 08/05/2006 7:27:30 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: robert jones
Good morning.
"Are tanks headed for the martial evolutionary grinder?"

In David Drake's universe they aren't.

Military technological advancement is a game of leapfrog, with defense and offense competing for a winning edge. With tactics it's the same.

What doesn't change is that willingness to die and a desire to win can trump everything else.

Michael Frazier
82 posted on 08/05/2006 7:30:29 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: leadpenny
Idiot reporter!
Were the tanks repaired and put back in combat or were the catastrophically destroyed !
I'm sure that Israel had more then 7 tanks damaged in past incursions into Lebanon.
The Yom Kipper War in 1973 they had scores of tanks destroyed.
I could go on !
83 posted on 08/05/2006 7:35:24 AM PDT by Reily
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To: epow
Below is what happens when an idiotic party in a country commits reckless actions.
A country is destroyed.
How stupid and arrogant of Hizbullah...
However, we all know that IRAN is the REAL enemy behind the scenes...


Beirut and Lebanon war - Beirut on July 12, 2006 before the war


Beirut and Lebanon war - Beirut on July 31, 2006 after heavy pummeling by Israel



Beirut and Lebanon war - With labels, same area of Beirut, July 31

84 posted on 08/05/2006 7:38:58 AM PDT by patriot H
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To: Made in USA
U.S. M1A2 Abrams Main Battle Tank. Nothing can compete with it.

Don't brag. A bunch of monkeys with IED's have knocked out quite a few.

86 posted on 08/05/2006 9:12:48 AM PDT by zarf
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To: robert jones; All
Can someone explain to me what is that bag, that pretty often can be seen being worn by Israeli soldiers on their heads?

I've never seen anything like that in any other army.





I hope it's not a beret :-)))
87 posted on 08/05/2006 10:47:37 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: leadpenny

"I have no agenda for anything except the truth"

Oh, so you're just "biased" in favor of the truth. Now I get it.

And gee. Such a boring world listening to people with biases against terrorist scum like Hezbollah.

Sounds like you got lead in your blood somewhere back when. A ton of it.


88 posted on 08/05/2006 10:48:30 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: leadpenny
"First, there is no universal definition for the MSM"

Sure there is: liberally biased. This from a UCLA Media study in 2005:

Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist


Date: December 14, 2005
Contact: Meg Sullivan ( msullivan@support.ucla.edu )
Phone: 310-825-1046 



"While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper's news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.

These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.

"I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican," said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study's lead author. "But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are."

"Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left," said co‑author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.

The results appear in the latest issue of the Quarterly Journal of Economics, which will become available in mid-December."

89 posted on 08/05/2006 11:00:05 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: calex59

I guess we're so biased and dumb we just swallow any old exhaustive study that quantifies and shows what our "biases" tell us about the MSM.

No, we should all listen to LeadPenny's wise words. After all, he's only invested in the truth (ha,ha)...


90 posted on 08/05/2006 11:06:16 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: olderwiser
Sorry, I missed this from your earlier post:

It's not biased to support Israel in it's fight against Hezbollah. So your statement "everyone has a bias" doesn't apply to those expressing support for Israel's fight on this thread.

Without taking a position on the matter, that statement adds new meaning to the definition of bias.

As for your 89, you're calling that a definition of the MSM? Your definition of a definition differs from mine.

Oh, and in 90, if you refer to someone in a post be sure to include them in the "TO:" line.

91 posted on 08/05/2006 11:18:49 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: steamroller

Exactly so, particularly in an urban enviroment. Send in the grunts to clean them out house by house, supported by armor.


92 posted on 08/05/2006 11:31:23 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: robert jones

This should be very disturbing.

We used to say that the Abrams, the Challenger and the Merkava were the only tanks (vehicles that is) which were close to impervious to any weapons the terrorists were carrying.

A well-aimed artillery shell or a really large IED could take them out but the tanks could more-or-less drive down any street in Iraq or Afghanistan or Gaza or Syria or Lebanon and not have to worry much.

But now the terrorists can take out Merks. Maybe this weapon can take out the Abrams and the Challenger too.

Maybe it won't be long before the terrorists and Iran and Syria have lots of Abrams busting anti-tank missiles.

Maybe a huge advantage we had is now gone. Maybe we need to send a rather large message to Russia that they made a very big mistake.


93 posted on 08/05/2006 11:33:31 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: Made in USA

Looks like the graphics come from - http://www.habeeb.com You can use rt clk / 'view source' (in IE, anyway) to see where the pics are coming from.


94 posted on 08/05/2006 11:35:53 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Sophomore dies in kiln explosion? Oh My God! I just talked to her last week...)
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To: gaspar; robert jones

Or, as Bill Mauldin also said, "Don't you boys carry some dirt to dig holes in?"

95 posted on 08/05/2006 12:06:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: lizol
Can someone explain to me what is that bag, that pretty often can be seen being worn by Israeli soldiers on their heads?

I've never seen anything like that in any other army.

Let me know if you find out what this headgear signifies. I am curious also.

96 posted on 08/05/2006 12:34:37 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: robert jones

If they are using their anti-tank missiles like big grenade launchers, they are sure wasting a heck of a lot of money. What the heck are they going to do when they run out of these overpriced bullets?

It is a sign of a rabble army, one that cannot fight with rifles.


97 posted on 08/05/2006 12:51:11 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Irish Eyes; lizol
Good afternoon.
"Let me know if you find out what this headgear signifies. I am curious also."

I would say a good guess would be that it is like a mosquito net or a sniper's veil that you can see through but which acts as camouflage when it is pulled down and breaks up the distinct shape of the helmet when up. Only movement would be likely to catch the eye of your enemy. I don't remember the IDF soldiers painting their faces in the past either.

Michael Frazier
98 posted on 08/05/2006 12:53:37 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Made in USA
Another improvement in the M1A2 SEP is the Thermal Management System (TMS) which keeps the temperature within the crew compartment under 95 degrees and the touch temperature of electronic units under 125 degrees during extreme conditions. By reducing the temperature in the crew compartment for the crew and electronic units, this increases the operational capability for both soldiers and the vehicle. The TMS consists of an Air Handling Unit (AHU) and a Vapor Compression System Unit (VCSU) capable of providing 7.5 Kilowatts of cooling capacity for the crew and Line Repairable Units (LRUs). The AHU is mounted in the turret bustle and the VCSU is mounted forward of the Gunner's Primary Sight (GPS). The TMS uses enviromentally friendly R134a refrigerant and propylene glycol/water mixture to maintain the LRU touch temperature at less than 140 degrees Fahrenheit. The TMS is mounted in the left side of turret bussel and weighs 384 pounds.

95 degrees in a cooped up tin can? What did our guys go through in older style tanks? What do commie tanks feel like?

I've driven unairconditioned trucks and worked in the Texas heat for a decade. No more for me, unless i really need to.

99 posted on 08/05/2006 1:55:13 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120))
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