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8/1 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 8/1/06 | BurbankKarl

Posted on 07/31/2006 9:38:15 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

The wife and father of kidnapped Israeli soldier Ehud Goldwasser, Karnit, holding a wedding photograph, and Shlomo Goldwasser arrive at Heathrow Airport in London, Monday July 31, 2006. Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers on July 12, triggering an Israeli offensive against Lebanon that has killed hundreds of people, mostly civilians.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; daralislam; dhimmis; dhimmitude; hezbollah; humanshieldsrus; iran; islam; israel; lebanon; middleeast; muhammadsminions; muslimcaliphate
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To: grapeape
Sorry to say this but it sounds like you have a major problem there. I have seen this enough. unless you can do the work yourself then you are looking at a huge bill!!!

Oh yeah!

141 posted on 07/31/2006 11:14:51 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: daybreakcoming

"those" people live in 7 a.d.,,,i hope i am wrong,,,but,,,they want to destroy ISRAEL,,,,wmd's "under" a mountain cannot be bombed ,,,, grunt-work ,,,,!


142 posted on 07/31/2006 11:15:05 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (cochon de lait nasrallah)
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To: grapeape

The only thing we really have going for us is that the mortgage will be paid off in 2 years. Yay!


143 posted on 07/31/2006 11:16:02 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

That is a huge plus..


145 posted on 07/31/2006 11:17:58 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68
"wmd's "under" a mountain cannot be bombed ,,,, grunt-work ,,,,!"

Yep. And dangerous.

146 posted on 07/31/2006 11:19:07 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Diogenesis

Prime Minister says fighting won't end until rocket threat gone

Sneh: Expanded IDF ground operation to last for weeks

By Ze'ev Schiff, Amos Harel and Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

Israel's offensive in Lebanon is likely to last for weeks, and may include holding territory up to the Litani River, senior Labor MK and former deputy defense minister Ephraim Sneh indicated Tuesday, hours after the security cabinet voted to expand the ground campaign.

Sneh, speaking to Israel Radio, was asked how long Israel will hold the territory "apparently up to the Litani," a reference to the river some 30 km (18 miles) north of the Israel-Lebanon border, a main demarcation line during the 18-year occupation of Lebanon which ended in an Israeli withdrawal in 2000.

"We can achieve the results in several weeks," Sneh said. "This war must not end in a tie The goals of this war cannot be achieved without more using more force for a longer time."

Anything less, and Hezbollah will return and fire rockets at Israel, Sneh said. "The objective is not conquering Lebanon. The objective is creating a situation in which an international force or the Lebanese army can come and hold the area."

Under the plan approved in the pre-dawn hours Tuesday - and similar to last week's operation carried out in Bint Jbail - IDF forces will mount raids on villages that have served as Hezbollah bases. The plan was presented to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert during meetings held Saturday with Defense Minister Amir Peretz and defense establishment heads.

The cabinet voted nearly unanimously in favor of the plan, with none opposed and one abstention.

Political sources in Jerusalem said on Monday that the UN Security Council would call for a cease-fire on Friday that would take effect starting Saturday. The fighting, however, may continue for a few more days, sources estimated.

Olmert reiterated on Monday that Israel would continue its offensive until the arrival of an international stabilization force in Lebanon. "Israel is continuing to fight," Olmert told a mayors conference in Tel Aviv. "There is no cease-fire, and there will not be a cease-fire in the upcoming days."

Meanwhile, the IDF markedly intensified its ground offensive in southern Lebanon on Monday. Despite the significant reduction in the number of aerial strikes, in keeping with the agreement reached with the U.S. administration Sunday night, the IDF was instructed to deploy larger forces in the field.

Military sources said Monday night that the IDF now would make a concerted effort to achieve ground success through operations that the army has avoided until now.

IDF bulldozers will raze the remaining Hezbollah outposts along the border; at the same time, the army will beef up its presence in the field, and carry out searches and raids in other villages in an effort to locate both weapons and Hezbollah fighters.

Five brigade-level commands - more than twice the number of forces operating in the area thus far - will operate in southern Lebanon.

The IDF also suggested other far-reaching moves to the cabinet last night, including the deployment of reserve forces. Military officials also believe the IDF has a few days to complete ground operations before a cease-fire is declared.

Senior officers assessed on Monday that the damage sustained by Hezbollah is far greater than originally believed. They said many of the organization's senior commanders have been killed or wounded.

According to Israeli estimates, Hezbollah still has about 9,000 Katyusha rockets.

The prime minister said that Israel would no longer accept the transfer of weapons from Syria to Hezbollah, and would not allow the organization to restore its capabilities after the fighting is over.

"The organization's leadership is in hiding; they are afraid for their lives, and we will continue to pursue them wherever they are and at all times," the prime minister said.

Olmert: There will be no cease-fire in coming days
Olmert said Monday evening that there would be no cease-fire in the coming days, despite a 48-hour halt in Israel Air Force activity in Lebanon.

He said the offensive in southern Lebanon would end when the rockets fired by Hezbollah cease and the two Israel Defense Forces soldiers abducted on July 12 are returned.

"We will stop the war when the [rocket] threat is removed..., our captive soldiers return home in peace, and you are able to live in safety and security," Olmert said, addressing the mayors of northern towns.

He also warned that Israel still faced "no small number of days of fighting."

"We should be ready for pain, tears and blood," he said. "Missiles and rockets will still land in Israel in the coming days."

Israel had had no choice but to begin its attacks on Hezbollah after the guerrillas carried out their cross-border attack, in which eight other soldiers were killed, he said.

"We could not let the terror organization on our border get stronger, let them get more missiles," he said. "If we had held off, the day would have arrived soon when they would have caused unprecedented damage."

He said that even as he spoke, Israeli forces continued fighting in the air, from the sea and on the ground in Lebanon. "We are determined to succeed in this struggle," he said. "We will not give up on our goal to live a life free of terror."

Olmert also lauded the operation's successes: "The achievements are very significant," he said. "Hezbollah of today does not look like the Hezbollah of 20 days ago - threatening, arrogant and dangerous. They have taken a hard hit, and it will take them a long time to recover from it - if at all," he said.

"We have pushed Hezbollah back from its positions along the border with Israel, and we have eliminated this immediate threat," the prime minister said. "We will no longer consent to Hezbollah's returning to these positions and continuing to threaten to abduct soldiers and fire on northern communities.

"This is a unique opportunity to change the rules in Lebanon," he said.

The prime minister brushed off international criticism about the fighting in Lebanon, saying that no other country would accept similar attacks against it.

Hezbollah has fired more than 1,600 rockets into northern Israel since the conflict erupted. At least 300,000 of the one million residents of the north have been driven from their homes. Others have been holed up in bomb shelters.

The prime minister expressed regret for the attack in the southern Lebanon village of Qana on Sunday, which killed 56 people, among them 37 children.

"I am sorry from bottom of heart for all deaths of children or women in Qana," Olmert said. "We did not search them out... they were not our enemies and we did not look for them."

Addressing the people of Lebanon, he told them that they were not Israel's enemy, but rather Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah - whom he accused of carrying out the policies of Syria and Iran - was.

"We are not fighting against the Lebanese people. We are not fighting against its government. We are fighting terrorism and we will not stop the fight against them until we push them away from our borders," he said


147 posted on 07/31/2006 11:19:29 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: GonzoGOP
If the president goes squishy then Israel is going to face an ammunition and fuel problem after a few weeks of maximum effort. It all depends on if George decides he is compassionate or conservative this week. I want to think he is going to be the guy that stood among the ruins of the WTC and said we will not tire

Bush is not going to go "squishy"

IMO Israeli Intel knew Hizbolah, Syria and Iran were going to provoke something. Bush and Olmert were ready to use the provocation to pound the terrorists. Bush cannot rest since 911 until every last bastard terrorist has his virgins.

148 posted on 07/31/2006 11:21:07 PM PDT by weston
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To: BurbankKarl

Ok, guys, I'm leaving it all up to you for the night. I'm beat at almost 2:30 a.m. C'ya in the morning.


149 posted on 07/31/2006 11:21:51 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

"i fear" is the hardest thing for me to say,,,IMHO,,,IDF better "blitz" the becca valley,,,NOW,,,


151 posted on 07/31/2006 11:25:36 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (cochon de lait nasrallah)
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To: grapeape

I've heard Hexbollah is estimated at 15000. The Lebanese army at 60000.


152 posted on 07/31/2006 11:33:00 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Thank you, None of us can find any numbers at all on the Hezbians.


153 posted on 07/31/2006 11:34:33 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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To: Diogenesis
wiping out hezebola is going to be quite a feat (notice the t-short in picture:)


154 posted on 07/31/2006 11:35:07 PM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Fitzcarraldo

If that isn't painting a big bullseye on your chest, then I dont know what is.


155 posted on 07/31/2006 11:38:17 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: CougarGA7
yeah, he might as well dressed up "disguised as him"
156 posted on 07/31/2006 11:39:51 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; grapeape; conservativepoet; Mike Darancette; jeffers
One of the problems with finding Lebanese cities on any map (or in a Google search) is that they often have many different English spellings. Yammouni (a.k.a. Yammouneh, Yammoune, Al Yammunah, El Yammoune, El Yammoune, Al Yammunah) likely isn't on the Syria-Lebanon border. It's probably on the side of a cliff on the western side of the Bekaa Valley (look on the bottom right hand side of this map for Yammoune, or on the map below):


According to some Internet sources, Hezbollah has a training base at Wadi al-Yammouneh. This base "is located between the Bekaa Valley and the upper mountains of Jbeil. Activities are guerilla warfare, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons training, and other terrorist skills." And according to the Lebanese tourist bureau, "Yammouneh is the site of an ancient sacred lake and Roman temple". The lake is dry part of the year, and there are supposedly "subterranean chambers" in the area.
157 posted on 07/31/2006 11:41:41 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

Thanks for the good work.


158 posted on 07/31/2006 11:43:53 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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To: grapeape

Looks like one of those shirts you would pick up at a concert. Wonder if the tour dates are on the back. That would be some useful intel.


159 posted on 07/31/2006 11:44:29 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: CougarGA7

that would be funny!!! Just think, you could put all of the dates of their failed actions. Just like the old concert t-shirts. Could paint a bulls-eye on his picture on the front.


160 posted on 07/31/2006 11:48:17 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method - Gen Hugh Shelton)
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