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Mel Gibson's Meltdown
Slate ^ | 07-31-06 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 07/31/2006 12:29:38 PM PDT by veronica

Edited on 07/31/2006 1:43:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

I was just in the middle of writing a long and tedious essay, about how to tell a real anti-Semite from a person who too-loudly rejects the charge of anti-Semitism, when a near-perfect real-life example came to hand. That bad actor and worse director Mel Gibson, pulled over for the alleged offense of speeding and the further alleged offense of speeding under the influence, decided that he needed to demand of the arresting officer whether he was or was not Jewish and that he furthermore needed to impart the information that all the world's wars are begun by those of Semitic extraction.

Call me thin-skinned if you must, but I think that this qualifies. I also think that the difference between the blood-alcohol levels—and indeed the speed limits—that occasioned the booking are insufficient to explain the expletives (as Gibson has since claimed in a typically self-pitying and verbose statement put out by his publicist). One does not abruptly decide, between the first and second vodka, or the ticks of the indicator of velocity, that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion are valid after all.

There's a lot to dislike about Gibson. He is given to furious tirades against homosexuals of the sort that make one wonder if he has some kind of subliminal or "unaddressed" problem. His vulgar and nasty movies, which also feature this prejudice, are additionally replete with the cheapest caricatures of the English.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: hitchens; invinoveritas; melgibson
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To: American Quilter; spectre

I think there's a misunderstanding here. CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS attacked Mother Teresa, not Mel.


361 posted on 07/31/2006 11:53:41 PM PDT by Caravaggio
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To: claudiustg

I asked a question, genius. Try to be an adult.


362 posted on 08/01/2006 2:32:14 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: Dodgers fan

Perhaps.

Still thought his acting was good in both.


363 posted on 08/01/2006 4:08:45 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Dodgers fan
Why on earth does William Donahue try to defend Mel Gibson?????

It's particularly amusing coming from someone who could find anti-Catholic bias in a dial tone or a cloud formation.

364 posted on 08/01/2006 4:31:58 AM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: ontos-on
One of the more interesting things about the methods shown, somewhat inaccurately from a historical perspective, in The Patriot as being used by the British to suppress insurgents in America are exactly the same ruthless tactics proposed by some here on FR as appropriate to be used against Iraqi insurgents.

Most of these folks would consider these tactics monstrous when used by the Brits against American insurgents or by the Union against Confederates, but just fine when used by Americans against Iraqis (or Vietnamese, or really against anybody fighting us).

They thus show that they do not object to the tactics as such, only to their use against their own side. I believe this is commonly known as hypocrisy.

365 posted on 08/01/2006 4:33:59 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Hildy; Jedi Master Pikachu; sinkspur

I believe that when you're drunk, the feelings you suppress are released. That's why there are some drunks who will tell you how much they love you and others who will beat the crap out of you.
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Whiskey doesn't talk, it merely silences the pretender.














366 posted on 08/01/2006 4:47:15 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Kimmers
Thanks
367 posted on 08/01/2006 4:51:51 AM PDT by chris_ab
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To: Skooz

My point is that drunks say all kinds of stupid crap and don't mean a word of it.

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Sometimes it is the underlying attitude revealed by the stupid crap that is important. You could ask a person to make up the most outrageous lie he could think of and it would reveal a lot about the person if you have any ability to pick up the clues. Of course there are those who will believe whatever they choose to believe about a person regardless of the most blatant evidence to the contrary.


368 posted on 08/01/2006 5:00:31 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Siena Dreaming

However, some here will insist to their dying breath that one means all one says while under the influence.
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I certainly don't believe that but I do believe that a drunk has a lot more trouble concealing his true attitude about certain things than a sober person does. Even an obvious lie told by a drunk can reveal a lot about the person if it is the sort of lie that he would never have told while sober. I have seen a lot of drunks, some of them just lose coordination, slur speech, stagger but their basic character seems unchanged while some seem to turn into a totally different and unrecognizable character. Usually the change is much for the worse but in some cases I have known people who were more likable drunk than when sober.


369 posted on 08/01/2006 5:06:36 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: RipSawyer
Of course there are those who will believe whatever they choose to believe about a person regardless of the most blatant evidence to the contrary.

Just as there are those who will believe whatever they choose to believe about a person based upon a short article written by a third party and never having spoken with the person even once.

370 posted on 08/01/2006 5:39:05 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings...Modesty hides my thighs in her wings...)
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To: meandog
Go to hell!

Since I told the truth and you told a scurrilous lie, you should worry less about where I'm going and more about where you're going.

Tell all the losers at McCain08 I said hi.

371 posted on 08/01/2006 6:10:42 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake
Go to hell! Since I told the truth and you told a scurrilous lie, you should worry less about where I'm going and more about where you're going.

Your truth is in only your mind, sir, just as your belief in your debating prowess. And, because you cannot seem to engage in a forum without framing your argument with an insulting "bastard" name-calling, you can consider this to be my last reply to any of your postings.

372 posted on 08/01/2006 6:26:20 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't worthy even to scrape Reagan's shoes' soles, Bush is worthy only to shine them!)
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To: beyond the sea

Oh, so you blame the victim. Shows you're a very enlightened person. Yes, my man, my grandparents killed Jesus so they deserved being beaten. They had it coming to them. Boy, are you a dope! So much for your "religion of love".


373 posted on 08/01/2006 6:34:56 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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To: meandog
Your truth is in only your mind

The facts of the Bush DWI are precisely as I presented them.

Your claim that the DWI was covered up is an outright lie.

And "bastard" is one of the milder terms applicable to persons who spread lies about their country's Commander-In-Chief during wartime.

374 posted on 08/01/2006 6:38:24 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Domestic Church
I've also never known an alcoholic who didn't say absurd, nasty anti-semitic things.

You don't hang around Jewish alchoholics , apparently. That's a shame; they're really a lot of fun.

375 posted on 08/01/2006 6:43:07 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: wideawake
click here
376 posted on 08/01/2006 6:45:41 AM PDT by meandog (While Clinton isn't worthy even to scrape Reagan's shoes' soles, Bush is worthy only to shine them!)
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To: ontos-on
Their real goal is to discredit 'The Passion

I agree. IMO, it's way too obvious. They did it before it was released, when it was released, and waiting in the wings to pounce on him, again.

No outrage when Hillary's comment was revealed, in fact, they voted for her, Kerry, the rats in general, and MSM and TNYT demonstrates daily their love of Israel's enemies. It's not ONLY about their hatred for Bush.

377 posted on 08/01/2006 7:00:22 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: veronica
Hitchens is Jewish on his mother's side, an atheist and a regular contributor over the years to left-wing publications such as The Nation and somewhat less regularly to conservative publications such as National Review.

He has been eminently successful in pulling off the remarkable feat of being slobbered over politically by adherents of both the Left and the Right.

He's a drinker himself, anti-Christian, and a rather lapsed socialist, having enjoyed the bountiful fruits of the heartless capitalistic system in America where he's been embedded for years.

Leni

378 posted on 08/01/2006 7:13:39 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: meandog; frogjerk
Does it surprise me that you posted a link to a dishonest, leftist website?

Not in the slightest.

Does it surprise me that a dishonest leftist website twists the facts?

Not at all.

Let's review: your leftist source alleges that the President lied about being arrested.

The fact is that the President was not arrested. He voluntarily accompanied the officer to the police station. He was not Mirandized, placed under arrest or handcuffed by anyone.

Your leftist source also claims the President lied about pleading guilty in court.

The fact is that the President pled guilty to the offense at the police station by signing the standard document: there was no court adjudication of the DWI. He voluntarily accompanied the officer to the station, signed the paperwork acknowledging his guilt and wrote a check for the fine.

The President appeared in court two years later, not to answer charges or plea, but to make the standard request that his driving privileges be reinstated.

Your leftist source seeks to portray a scenario in which the President was handcuffed at the scene, put in a holding cell, and then hauled into court where he pled guilty before a judge.

However, the facts of the matter are precisely as the President claimed: that he was pulled over, pled guilty at the police station and paid the fine. At no time was he under arrest.

Your source and you are dishonestly trying to create a phony scenario in which the President was arrested and hauled into court and later lied about it.

That is a fiction, a fantasy, a figment of your leftist/RINO/McCainiac imagination.

379 posted on 08/01/2006 7:18:26 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake
Does it surprise me that you posted a link to a dishonest, leftist website?

Don't like to take McCainiac meandog's side, but you should know that "Skeleton's in the Closet" is NOT a leftist wing site. They do numbers on RATS as well as Republicans. And the president was a little evasive about his arrest, after all.

380 posted on 08/01/2006 7:37:33 AM PDT by ironangel
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