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7/24 Middle East Live Thread
Middle East Live Thread ^ | 7/24/06 | me

Posted on 07/23/2006 10:22:28 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

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To: debg
I haven't seen any public information on that yet

Probably nothing official yet. We have heard that she offered assistance for the civilian population that has been displaced and that the U.S. expects that Lebanon not Hezbollah would be the one to sign any future cease fire.

If that is what they are turning down then we don't have to worry about an end to this thing any time soon. You can't have a cease fire unless there is someone to sign the document and we won't let that someone be Hezbollah.

601 posted on 07/24/2006 11:22:17 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

InterceptPoint wrote:
Lebanonese Parliament Speaker (Nabih Berrir) has rejected Rice's proposals.

And those proposals were ... ?





A list acceptable to Israel, unacceptable to Lebanon, ghastly from the Syrian, Hezbollian, and Iranian POV, and handsome enough enough to allow Bush and Abdullah to say "we tried" with a straight face.

Within those guidelines, the details themselves are unimportant.


602 posted on 07/24/2006 11:22:45 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: InterceptPoint

Israel also is battling Hamas-backed militiamen in the Gaza Strip claiming to hold an Israeli soldier missing since an ambush last month.(AP)

There are no quote marks in that sentence, I also wonder if AP 'claims' to be a true news organization.


603 posted on 07/24/2006 11:22:50 AM PDT by casino66
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To: Miss Marple
Chuck Nash on Fox citing multiple media reports of Farsi being spoken on the front lines in Lebanon.

Although I'd be very surprised if there weren't a lot of Iranians guiding the local terrorists in Lebanon they may not be the only Farsi speakers there. The first comment to this post at Captain's Quarters claims "Hizbollah in Lebanon, is a totally Shia, mainly ethnic Persian organization (Iranian Shias have been settling and inter-marrying in the Lebanese mountains for 200+ years, with their fellow Shia's there)" and the poster sounds like he knows what he's writing. This is the first I'd heard that Hizbollah in Lebanon not only wasn't Sunni but also mainly wasn't Arab. One more reason the usual suspects haven't jumped to their support if true.

604 posted on 07/24/2006 11:22:54 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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Carrot and stick it, baby.


605 posted on 07/24/2006 11:22:57 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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placemark


606 posted on 07/24/2006 11:23:26 AM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants to surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: Miss Marple

Who is the commercial sponsored by?


607 posted on 07/24/2006 11:23:48 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: InterceptPoint

What if these civilians are in Syria? Who pockets the $$$?


608 posted on 07/24/2006 11:24:42 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: casino66

Thanks for that link

I don't always agree with Michelle .. but she pretty much nailed it there


609 posted on 07/24/2006 11:27:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (Bolton- "No one has explained how you negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists")
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To: casino66

As Chairman Mao put it, the civilian population is the water, and the insurgent is the fish.

Israel is blowing the dams up left and right, Hezbollah is more and more flopping on the newly created beaches, high and dry, and the Iran/Syrian puppet masters are wafting about in the deeps, unaware of the fish finder devices working overtime.


610 posted on 07/24/2006 11:27:46 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: casino66

They always do that. The lead in a typical AP piece goes something like this:

7 Palestinians were senselessly slaughtered in a wanton Israeli missle attack on what Israel claims was a b0mb factory.


611 posted on 07/24/2006 11:29:19 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: AliVeritas
Just getting back and catching up, but keep an eye on the following for news of pro-Hezb rallies:

AhlulBayt Discussion Forum/North/Central/South America.

Also watch the hard left/socialist/communist websites for news. They always join and very often actually organize the NA rallies - just as they did with the immigration rallies.

612 posted on 07/24/2006 11:29:54 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

Sort of an Iranian colony on the Med.


613 posted on 07/24/2006 11:30:35 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: Txsleuth
I can't imagine why Karen would go to Muslim nations to promote Islam as a religion of peace...

I think it was more to promote the White House stance that Islam is a religion of peace

FWIW..whatever Karen Hughes was supposed to accomplish overseas seems to have been a failure, unfortunately

I think if it was a failure it was because no matter how much you try to reach out to so-called moderates, they will always see us as the "Great Satan"

614 posted on 07/24/2006 11:30:52 AM PDT by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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To: sarasota

Beirut Downtown Development Committee.


615 posted on 07/24/2006 11:33:26 AM PDT by casino66
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I would have rather seen her go to Israel first, just for the perception of it if nothing else. I also wonder if we are gonna send humanitarian aid to the Israeli's, being that there are so many Israeli's in bomb shelters and not working, etc.


616 posted on 07/24/2006 11:33:57 AM PDT by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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To: casino66

In the meantime, unless Bush and company are working on an additional Security Council Resolution, indicting Iran and Syria for instigating this whole mess, to be presented along with sanctions on Iran regarding their illegal nuclear weapons program, they are missing a bet, and not utilizing their time effectively.

One major benefit Iran and Syria gained from creating this whole mess was reduced attention during the G8 conference.

That decision should come back to haunt them, in spades. Whether a new Resolution passes or fails is immaterial, the point is to make the worm squirm before you put him on the hook, and let the world see what runs out as it is impaled.

Sooner or later, we will confront Iran, unless they confront us first. Failure to lay the all the groundwork possible, ahead of time, will end up costing more American lives in that inevitable conflict.


617 posted on 07/24/2006 11:36:19 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: BurbankKarl

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618 posted on 07/24/2006 11:36:30 AM PDT by wolficatZ (sharks like trolls..________\0/____/|_______..)
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To: sarasota
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619 posted on 07/24/2006 11:36:50 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: InterceptPoint

It's just the usual "Arab Pride" routine. He's playing to the crowd. There probably weren't any specific proposals, other than a general observation that if Lebanon did its job they wouldn't be in this mess.

The Arab method of negotiation consists of rejecting any offers, making claims to be in charge and dictating the terms, while the real dealing happens in the background. Take a look at the language used in the regular flow of comments from those governments, you'll see "we demand", "we'll allow", "we reject", etc. You'll never see them saying, "hey, that sounds like a good compromise".

They have to be seen to be in charge, that's just a characteristic way of propping up their fragile egos.

So, "We would never allow that", essentially means "we're thinking it over." Even if they haven't been presented anything to think over yet.


620 posted on 07/24/2006 11:36:52 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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