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Cooking oil cars turn the table on high fuel prices
AFP ^ | Virginie Montet

Posted on 07/23/2006 6:27:54 AM PDT by CubaninMiami

WASHINGTON (AFP) - A growing number of Americans are setting up mini-refineries in their homes to produce biodiesel, a fuel made from waste cooking oil which is cleaner and cheaper than the petrol sold in gas stations

The sky-high price of crude oil is scaring everyone.

Biodiesel has Hollywood backers like actress Julia Roberts and Morgan Freeman, is sung about by country star Willie Nelson but also meets the political correctness of the American right wing which has made the campaign against imported oil a mantra... ...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biodiesel; energy
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To: Bernard
how do the various government agencies collect their per-gallon tribute?

Since biodiesel is cooking oil reprocessed in to an ester, the government is getting its cut from the alcohol that is used to make the esters.

61 posted on 07/23/2006 8:45:51 AM PDT by Fraxinus
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To: Publius6961
Does anyone with a brain in their head think that users of new cooking oil will continue to give it away, after use, when the demand reaches a tipping point?

Of course not. That doesn't deny the reality that we must embrace alternative fuel sources. Too many people (expecially in this forum) think they can bury their head in the sand and wait for gas to return to $1.49/gallon. Those days are over and will never return.

We are now competing for fuel with the emerging economies of India and China.

Tapping domestic reserves (even ANWR) are but temporary band-aids.

We've had 30 years to try and come up with a solution. Instead we've developed Lincoln Navigators, Ford Excursions, Cadillac Escalades and Chevy Tahoes.

Gas is going to do nothing but rise in price. Oh sure, there will be temporary declines but $4/gallon is coming soon to a pump near you. $7/gallon and $10/gallon aren't far behind. We've got to do something --and do it soon.

And, no. I'm not a long-haired, pot-smoking, tree-hugging peace freak.

62 posted on 07/23/2006 8:46:52 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Fraxinus
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds like you have to add alcohol to used cooking oil to produce biodiesel?

In any event, I'll just hold out until somebody figures out how to turn dog poop into fuel. Then, I'll go back to the shelter and get two more mutts just like the fertilizer factory I already have in the backyard.

63 posted on 07/23/2006 8:51:24 AM PDT by Bernard (God helps those who helps themselves - The US Government takes in the rest.)
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To: winodog

I know someone who actually made quite a good living from collecting grease from restaurants and then selling it to cosmetics companies.


64 posted on 07/23/2006 8:55:36 AM PDT by muslims=borg (You don't own property in New Jersey; you rent it from your local school board.)
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To: Bernard
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds like you have to add alcohol to used cooking oil to produce biodiesel?
Correct. Either Ethanol or Methanol will work just fine.

In any event, I'll just hold out until somebody figures out how to turn dog poop into fuel. Then, I'll go back to the shelter and get two more mutts just like the fertilizer factory I already have in the backyard.
There is a process that will do this, it is often referred to as thermal depolymerization. I do not believe that this process can be done on a home scale, or efficiently with equipment that can fit into an ordinary garage.
65 posted on 07/23/2006 9:00:03 AM PDT by Fraxinus
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To: Drew68
... That doesn't deny the reality that we must embrace alternative fuel sources...
That's not a reality, that's a delusion; but if it does something for you...

Too many people (expecially in this forum) think they can bury their head in the sand and wait for gas to return to $1.49/gallon. Those days are over and will never return.
I don't know a single person as you describe. I do know they exist, they even serve in Congress, but I would not hang out with them or even wish to talk to them.
I certainly will not plan my life according to their brainpower.
I don't expect ever again to see 5c chewing gum, either.

We are now competing for fuel with the emerging economies of India and China.
We have both exported oil forever and have always competed with other countries. Are you old enough to know history? Question: what was the driving force behind Japan's attempt to conquer Asia?
Focus on the oil/energy aspects of that question.

Tapping domestic reserves (even ANWR) are but temporary band-aids.
Meaningless phrases by the clueless. Implicit in every new oil find is the certain knowledge that it is a finite new source. D'OH!

We've had 30 years to try and come up with a solution. Instead we've developed Lincoln Navigators, Ford Excursions, Cadillac Escalades and Chevy Tahoes.
Meaningless distraction to the main point. That you hate large inefficient cars is irrelevant to me. I don't own any of those.
The idiots who buy them buy into their own punishment. I appreciate their disproportionate contribution to the economy. It is a good thing.

Gas is going to do nothing but rise in price. Oh sure, there will be temporary declines but $4/gallon is coming soon to a pump near you. $7/gallon and $10/gallon aren't far behind. We've got to do something --and do it soon.
A manhattan-type program to exploit oil shale. And firing squad punishment for any who oppose it for any reason. It's not that complicated.
Even $10 a gallon gasoline will not impact me as much as most other people. I don't need mommy government to plan for me.

And, no. I'm not a long-haired, pot-smoking, tree-hugging peace freak.
Just talk and act like one?

66 posted on 07/23/2006 9:18:50 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: CubaninMiami

Ignoring the absurdist slap at the "politically correct right wing," I have a friend who is setting up a biodiesel plant in his garage. It's an interesting process, although I can see it getting a little messy. And I've yet to see him run his truck on the stuff. But I wish him all the luck in the world. I'd run a car on Al Gore's emissions if it would release us from the Arab stranglehold.


67 posted on 07/23/2006 9:26:49 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Publius6961
That's not a reality, that's a delusion; but if it does something for you...

The only people deluded are those who think we have in infinite supply of oil.

I don't know a single person as you describe.

There are plenty of them on this forum.

We have both exported oil forever and have always competed with other countries. Are you old enough to know history? Question: what was the driving force behind Japan's attempt to conquer Asia?

Probably the same reason Hitler tried (and failed) to send his Panzers into Baku. Oilfields. And yes, we have always competed for oil with other countries. The difference is that while we were competing for oil with other developed nations, 2+ billion Indians and Chinese were riding bicycles. Now they modernizing and embracing the internal combustion engine. Those slices of the pie are getting a lot thinner and more expensive. Saudi oil production has peaked.

Meaningless phrases by the clueless. Implicit in every new oil find is the certain knowledge that it is a finite new source. D'OH!

Too many people here think domestic drilling will solve all of our problems. There's no need to conserve fuel because ANWR is the answer to our prayers! Those damn greenies!

The idiots who buy them buy into their own punishment.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I appreciate their disproportionate contribution to the economy. It is a good thing.

The House of Saud also appreciates their contribution to the Saudi economy!

A manhattan-type program to exploit oil shale.

Again, postponing the inevitable.

Just talk and act like one?

Now c'mon! That hurts! :)

68 posted on 07/23/2006 9:39:16 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: CubaninMiami
So now -- the Hollywood dandies will insist we all eat fatty fried foods so THEY can have the used cooking oils to fuel their luxury cars?

Shakespeare had it only half right....
First, kill all the lawyers -- then the politically insufferable "entertainers"..

Semper Fi
69 posted on 07/23/2006 9:57:02 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Restorer
The level of demand hasn't been fully established in this mkt (turkey offal to biofuel), therefore there is no equilibrium point for the price. The plant you refer to, in Carthage, MO, is also going through numerous hassles with EPA and the city fathers (the place REALLY smells -- fortunately, it smells like turkey -- and a lot of locals are very, very upset).

Assuming the latter problem can be palliated to a sufficient degree, the price of the input will sooner or later (sooner, in my view) stabilise at a low level. There is no economic reason why turkey growers should continue to pay for offal disposal; there is only dog-in-the-manger pique.

Grant, generously, that the cost of production of light oil from such a plant runs $18/bbl using 'free' input, 42.8 cents/gal (the plant, one of ConAgra's joint projects, says COP is about $15/bbl). Given that 200K lbs of turkey offal, processed, yields about 600 bbl, 25200 gal, of what is effectively #2 oil, and given that average-grade diesel weighs approx. 7.1 lbs/gal, the plant could easily afford to pay 5.25 cents/lb for the offal, and wind up with a **total** production cost, before taxes, distribution, and profit, of just 80 cents/gal for the product.

Add the others in (depending on how greedy the gov'ts involved will be) and you get something like 1.15/gal for light #2, in distributors' hands (i.e. shipped once -- this stuff can be piped, btw, which should keep shipping costs lowish). Put another 15 cents on it for the distributors' profit when selling to homeowners/local businesses, and you've got 1.30/gal for a final consumption price. It might be more efficient just to sell the turkey biodiesel as motor fuel rather than as heating fuel; transport costs would certainly be lower. And, all this assumes, remember, that the actual COP is 20% higher than the plant's stated COP, so the real-world price is almost surely lower than this 1.30 figure when the plant pays a nickel or so per pound for the input.

Front-month #2 oil on NYMEX closed at 1.95/gal Friday. This price differential between turkey (et al) biodiesel and #2 will do nothing but decrease in future, too, as economies of scale kick in. The downside to turkey biodiesel is that there's not enough available input to produce, ever, more than 8-10% of the mkt demand.

Unless, of course, we start using chicken offal, and hog waste, and other inputs that we have entirely TOO much of and don't know what to do with.

70 posted on 07/23/2006 9:59:43 AM PDT by SAJ (Who doesn't jump is a French! (FReeper 'an italian') Wonderful comment!)
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To: Fraxinus
Right. No way to do TDP at home, unless 'home' happens to be in the middle of nowhere, and in that case obtaining sufficient electric power would be a problem (not that TDP needs a lot of power; very good net return on energy, something like 15% BTU loss). Not a single zoning code of which I'm aware would tolerate any homeowner attempting this.

However, TDP doesn't require any finished alcohols to operate, which fact among others makes it commercially viable **until** gov't idiots start messing with it.

71 posted on 07/23/2006 10:07:52 AM PDT by SAJ (Who doesn't jump is a French! (FReeper 'an italian') Wonderful comment!)
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To: SAJ; Restorer
My apologies. Front month #2 oil settled at $2.02/gal Friday, not $1.95.

Read the wrong column in the table, sorry!

72 posted on 07/23/2006 10:09:44 AM PDT by SAJ (Who doesn't jump is a French! (FReeper 'an italian') Wonderful comment!)
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To: mewzilla

from the site you posted: Based on the combined resources of both industries, there is enough feedstock to supply 1.9 billion gallons of biodiesel (under policies designed to encourage biodiesel use). This represents roughly 5% of on-road diesel used in the United States.


73 posted on 07/23/2006 10:16:21 AM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglés)
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To: Xenalyte

Any idea how you make this stuff? I have enough real-estate so the 25 sq. foot space isn't a problem. I'm tried of paying $3 a gallon for gas (I have cut back tremendously how how much I travel, which is helping keep down the overall maintence costs on my car, but that's not the point I would love a cheaper fuel option for my car).


74 posted on 07/23/2006 10:21:46 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: weezel

And to think my hubby and I had to pay someone to cut down our pines in our yard here in SC!! Wished I would've known I could've sold them!!!


75 posted on 07/23/2006 10:23:21 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: Xenalyte
Yes he built it himself.He has two tanks in the bed of his truck,one to pick up oil with and one he runs his truck on. He assembled all the piping,filter and heating element to heat the oil going to his fuel injectors. He told me he has about $2400 in parts and materials in it.
76 posted on 07/23/2006 10:41:57 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: painter
Yes he built it himself.He has two tanks in the bed of his truck,one to pick up oil with and one he runs his truck on. He assembled all the piping,filter and heating element to heat the oil going to his fuel injectors. He told me he has about $2400 in parts and materials in it.

2400 bucks and all that time and labor???

How many years until he even breaks even? Perhaps, never?

77 posted on 07/23/2006 10:57:14 AM PDT by balrog666 (Ignorance is never better than knowledge. - Enrico Fermi)
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To: King Moonracer

There's a guy here in Houston, Tx. who has converted his pickup to run on cooking oil. The conversation kit was NOT expensive. He goes and will pick up the oil, then he runs it through a cloth type filter to remove whatever is left from frying fries and so forth. His truck runs fine on the oil and he even commented he didn't even know the price of gasoline.


78 posted on 07/23/2006 11:07:13 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Drew68
A manhattan-type program to exploit oil shale. Again, postponing the inevitable.

I'm going to get in on this one.There is 1.8 trillion,THATS Trillion barrels of oil locked up in oil shale in this country ALONE. THAT my friend is about 100yrs of supply for this country in oil shale alone. I'll take 100yrs of inevitably.

79 posted on 07/23/2006 11:09:03 AM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Vision Thing
Now they want to slap their losing concept onto the vast right-wing ascendancy.

Don't they always?
Nothing new.

80 posted on 07/23/2006 11:12:53 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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