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Many Americans Back Higher Costs For People With Unhealthy Lifestyles
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 19, 2006 | WSJ ONLINE/HARRIS INTERACTIVE HEALTH-CARE POLL

Posted on 07/20/2006 4:35:25 AM PDT by rdax

A new WSJ.com/Harris health-care poll indicates growing U.S. support for charging higher insurance premiums or out-of-pockets medical costs to people with unhealthy lifestyles.

The online survey of 2,325 U.S. adults found that 53% of Americans think it is fair to ask people with unhealthy lifestyles to pay higher insurance premiums than people with healthy lifestyles, while 32% said it would be unfair. When asked the same question in 2003, 37% said it would be fair, while 45% said it would be unfair. Healthy lifestyles were described as not smoking, exercising frequently and controlling one's weight.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: addiction; costs; govwatch; health; lifestyle; nannystate; taxes
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To: Smokin' Joe
Using your rationale, everyone who is now dead was, at one time, alive and everyone who is now alive will, at some time in the future, be dead. Consequently, no one should have any health or life insurance as the ultimate result is inevitable.

The time honored method has been to insure most, risk assess the members of the pool and charge accordingly, and to give premium discounts to those who are less of a risk.

Exactly how do you think insruance companies "risk assess the members of the pool?" It couldn't be via the means of statistical analysis, could it?

Naw... After all... Statistics can be used to 'prove' virtually anything. There are liars, damned liars, and statisticians.
81 posted on 07/20/2006 7:32:52 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Mr. Brightside

No.

See what I mean?


82 posted on 07/20/2006 7:33:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: Mr. Brightside
I wonder how many people who oppose this idea are fat or are smokers.

I'm neither. Which is not relevant. My side of the argument is just as valid if a fat smoker is in favor of it. The fact that the fat smoker may benefit from it does not negate the reasoning.

This approach reeks of the liberal "get even" method, rather than dealing with the hard realities and choices that will make positive changes.

83 posted on 07/20/2006 7:37:07 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The days of the free lunch in health care are coming to a close.

If people make unhealthy lifestyle choices (and choose to run to the doctor for every minor ailment... another problem with the current sysytem), they should pay more for for health care.

If somebody is a skydiving, motocross riding, racecar driving test pilot for experimental aircraft, he would (and should) pay more for life insurance. Our health care system can afford to do no less for obese, drug addicted prostitutes who smoke.


84 posted on 07/20/2006 7:41:55 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: ChildOfThe60s
the hard realities and choices that will make positive changes

Like cutting out the cigarettes and Cheetos?

85 posted on 07/20/2006 7:44:25 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
Why shouldn't she have to bear the burden of certain cardiovascular disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and several types of VD?

Oh, she is. In ways that make money meaningless.

I really do understand your frustration. I just disagree that the solution lies in that direction.

Sometimes I grind my teeth and wish that liberals and enviro-wackos had to pay more than we do for gas. After all, it is their policies that are directly responsible for the current cost of energy. Not a great analogy, but it has some validity.

86 posted on 07/20/2006 7:45:26 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

You and your little band of liberal whiners are disgusting.


87 posted on 07/20/2006 7:47:07 AM PDT by bfree (Liberalism-the yellow meat,)
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To: bfree

It is not a liberal idea to claim that heath insurers should be able to rate people according to the health risks people put on their own lives.


88 posted on 07/20/2006 7:51:05 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
Darn, I have to get back to work. You are corrupting me.

Like cutting out the cigarettes and Cheetos?

Healthier people won't change the fact that the government pays for a lot of health care & mucks up the market.

Another significant variable we have not discussed is all of the government mandated coverages that most people have to pay for, but will never use.

Maternity coverage was optional when we got married. Now, with grown kids, I have to pay for matenity insurance for people of child rearing age.

There is a long list of things like that. The legislature thinks insurance is a free lunch. A more al la carte approach to coverage would have a noticable effect on your costs.

Gotta run, sorry I have not been more successful in changing your mind. Then again, hardly anyone listens to me anyway /grin

89 posted on 07/20/2006 7:54:18 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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To: basil
Better check to see which genes you have inherited--that is usually what determines what's going to knock you off.

Hey, maybe insurance companies should be allowed to get our DNA from blood work they're paying for. And then charge us according to our pre-dispositions for certain diseases. /sarcasm.

There always is a battle to maintain a balance between actuarial-driven cost modeling and privacy. I think there can be some basic adjustments for behavior, but they need to be very tightly controlled so they don't get out of hand.

90 posted on 07/20/2006 7:55:01 AM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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To: Mr. Brightside
I wonder how many people who oppose this idea are fat or are smokers.

I wonder how many who are in favor of it understand that the smokers are going to end up paying twice (or more) because of the already existing taxes that aren't going to to away, but figure it serves them right for smoking anyway.

91 posted on 07/20/2006 7:55:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: nothingnew

Or what about those who go fishin for brown trout?


92 posted on 07/20/2006 7:55:42 AM PDT by stbdside
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Regards, see you on the next thread.

: )


93 posted on 07/20/2006 7:56:48 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
Not hard to figure out what is sinking our health care system.

It's time we stopped the free lunch.

But what happens if these same people just drop their health insurance all together?  That leaves MORE people that we, who have insurance, have to pay for.

If anyone is paying for health insurance today, I say 'that's better then nothing!'  At least they are trying and easing the weight on me!

94 posted on 07/20/2006 7:57:30 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Mr. Brightside
I am totally in favor of this

Where does this end? Do we force all people to take blood tests to see what diseases they're genetically predisposed to? What happens to all the people who can't get insurance because of familial traits that indicate a high probability of disease? Once the insurance industry has used technology and invasion of privacy to eliminate those with risk, where will these people (without insurance) get their healthcare? The taxpayers.

95 posted on 07/20/2006 7:58:31 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Madame Dufarge; Gabz; MarkL

"Amazing how many "conservatives" here are drowning in the Kool Aid."

The good Madame summed it right up. Short and sweet and true.



"I think that the title of the article could be written as "Many Americans approve of higher costs for other
people than themselves."

MarkL's post #72 above is also spot-on.

Surreal, isn't it?


96 posted on 07/20/2006 8:01:08 AM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: Mase

The life insurance industry was able to handle those questions. And so did the auto insurance industry.

Why not let the health insurance industry do the same?


97 posted on 07/20/2006 8:01:26 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: rdax

What about risky lifestyles of sky-divers, mountain climbers, gay men?



You think that is bad?, try driving on I-95 or I-66 in Virginia and working in DC


98 posted on 07/20/2006 8:01:31 AM PDT by RexFamilia
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To: dirtboy
I think there can be some basic adjustments for behavior, but they need to be very tightly controlled so they don't get out of hand.

The question is what kinds of behaviour? I'm one of those admittedly rare people who can eat pretty much anything I want, and my weight never changes more than a pound or two. I love my bacon and cheeseburgers, and the blood results from my last physical came back with my cholesterol 2 points above the bottom of the "normal" range. Do you start charging more for engaging in behavior that might make you fat, or for actually being fat?

99 posted on 07/20/2006 8:02:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; Mr. Brightside

Thank you tacticalogic, in addition to the items you sited, smokers, the obese, etc,.... generally don't live as long therefore don't tax the system nearly as much as those with chronic old person diseases. Hell, rather than lower their benefits why not give them a refund.


100 posted on 07/20/2006 8:04:54 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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