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Minutemen skeptical of ties with Keyes project (Funding Questions)
The Washington Times ^ | 7-20-06 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/20/2006 12:08:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

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To: EternalVigilance
The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps calls itself a "project of the Declaration Alliance," although few MCDC volunteers know what the alliance does or why Minuteman donations are routed through the charity founded and headed by conservative activist Alan Keyes.

from your post 125:
Did some volunteer work for Jim Gilchrist when he ran for Congress, and have worked as a consultant on a number of Declaration Alliance projects, but I've never worked for Simcox or the MCDC.

whatever you say.

141 posted on 07/21/2006 11:41:47 AM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Soros Akbar!)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

What are you inferring?


142 posted on 07/21/2006 11:50:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: dixiechick2000; All
Groups aligned with the Declaration Alliance and the Minuteman organization include: • Diener Consulting Inc., whose president is Phil Sheldon, son of the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, head of the Traditional Values Coalition. Diener serves as the MCDC's public-relations arm, as it did for Mr. Keyes in his unsuccessful 1996 and 2000 presidential campaigns and failed U.S. Senate races in Maryland and Illinois. Peter Kunz, a Diener employee, manages the Minuteman border fence project. Connie Hair, another Diener employee, is MCDC's spokeswoman.
143 posted on 07/21/2006 11:51:07 AM PDT by PDR
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To: AppleButter

you generally can't be taken if you're not typically willing to go./..


144 posted on 07/21/2006 11:54:28 AM PDT by PDR
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To: EternalVigilance

I am not inferring anything and I certainly didn't stutter.


145 posted on 07/21/2006 11:54:34 AM PDT by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Soros Akbar!)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
Really? "Whatever you say" is generally perceived to be a snide inference.

Sorry if I was mistaken.

146 posted on 07/21/2006 11:57:12 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Amelia

it means duplicate names have been removed.


147 posted on 07/21/2006 11:59:07 AM PDT by PDR
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To: PDR

Ah, thank you. I thought it would be a very short list if they removed all the dupes. ;-)


148 posted on 07/21/2006 12:13:19 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Lurker
"Yep it is. You be sure and let me know when you see some of the Open Borders Pro Amnesty folks actually do some."So, anyone who doesn't think like you do is not an independent thinker?

BTW...where are those Open Border types?

" You know, that good old fashioned thingy that's admissable in a Court of Law."

Last I looked, this was a place where people posted opinions, not a court of law.

149 posted on 07/21/2006 1:16:17 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: unsycophant

Just about everybody on these MM threads is being duped! But not you, surely!


150 posted on 07/21/2006 1:52:44 PM PDT by Cai Della
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To: EternalVigilance

That's their charter. That has nothing to do with Simcox being a crook.


151 posted on 07/21/2006 5:55:48 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Cai Della

De-duped = non duplicated, foo.


152 posted on 07/22/2006 7:07:02 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: Amelia

LOL.

Maybe for Alan Keyes Universe, they DID de-dupe the lists, leaving only the sure marks.

What first piqued my interest long ago was noticing MCDC were a"grassroots" organization with little ability to get their act together-but knew how to sign up with a professional money processing company that would collect and disburse their incoming $. (The same one Lance Armstrong's org and other cancer nonprofits have used.)


153 posted on 07/22/2006 7:16:31 AM PDT by unsycophant
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To: unsycophant
What first piqued my interest long ago was noticing MCDC were a"grassroots" organization with little ability to get their act together-but knew how to sign up with a professional money processing company that would collect and disburse their incoming $.

Apparently someone saw that this grassroots organization was generating intense interest and "sold" them on the benefits of using the professional company. I still don't understand why the "professional" company can't or won't produce a financial report, however.

154 posted on 07/22/2006 7:53:15 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: skeeter
Lets just say that those freepers currently gloating over MMDC's negative press would have alot more credibility if they weren't the same ones who commonly show up on threads opposite those who are passionate about immigration law enforcement.

Do you mean the FROBLs on here who have tried to defend illegal immigration from the start? They never had any credibility.

155 posted on 07/22/2006 8:02:20 AM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: unsycophant; BigSkyFreeper; catholicfreeper; Texasforever; Anti-Bubba182; Rex Anderson; Howlin; ...
What first piqued my interest long ago was noticing MCDC were a"grassroots" organization with little ability to get their act together-but knew how to sign up with a professional money processing company that would collect and disburse their incoming $.

It appears that non-profits have to file reports with the IRS, but so far I can't find anything about the MCDC by searching that website - which is consistent with these newspaper reports saying that it doesn't have non-profit status yet. I did find this line, which may indicate why the MCDC isn't listed, but may not:

Subordinate units that are included in group exemption letters are not listed separately. However, the listing for the central organization indicates that contributions to subordinate units covered by the group exemption are also deductible.

It could be that MCDC is operating under Declaration Alliance's exemption, but the Declaration Alliance isn't showing up under the search of tax-exempt organizations either, although The Declaration Foundation does. The two organizations are closely related but I'm not certain what the difference is.

I found a "Form 8871 - Political Organization Notice of Section 527 Status" on the IRS search page. It gives the purpose of DAPAC as

To support efforts that increase public awareness and knowledge regarding the principles underlying the Declaration of Independence, but not to expressly advocate the election or defeat of any clearly identified candidate for public office.

Compare this with :

About DAPAC
Declaration Alliance PAC is the official campaign and ballot initiative arm of the tax-exempt Declaration Alliance.

The goals of DAPAC for 2006 are simple and straightforward:
  1. To defeat partisan Democrats, especially hard-core, leftwing liberals like Senators Robert Byrd and Harry Reid, and Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi.

  2. To support endangered, scapegoated, anti-establishment conservative incumbents in Congress like Tom DeLay and Tom Tancredo, who have fought hard to stay true to our bedrock values and principles.

  3. To recruit real conservatives who can challenge, politically frighten, and eventually REPLACE RINO, "Money-Is-God" incumbents like John McCain, Arlen Specter, Mike DeWine, and Chris Shays.

  4. To pass pro-life, pro-family, anti-tax, pro-sovereignty, pro-traditional values, anti-big government, pro-property rights, pro-second amendment legislation and ballot initiatives across the U.S.

  5. To retake the leadership of the GOP where it has been captured by pro-abortion, anti-family, pro-tax, antimilitary, pro-big government, anti-gun rights, "open borders" liberals in "blue states" like California, New Jersey, and Illinois.

Something looks a tiny bit deceptive to me.

156 posted on 07/22/2006 10:03:40 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia
Sorry, screwed up on the link to DAPAC's webpage.
157 posted on 07/22/2006 10:16:55 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: unsycophant; BigSkyFreeper; catholicfreeper; Texasforever; Anti-Bubba182; Rex Anderson; Howlin; ...
Also, if DAPAC told the IRS that they aren't planning to work for the election or defeat of any particular candidate, how or why did they give money to Jim Gilchrist's campaign?
158 posted on 07/22/2006 10:20:59 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Amelia

It could be that MCDC is operating under Declaration Alliance's exemption, but the Declaration Alliance isn't showing up under the search of tax-exempt organizations either,



Declaration Alliance files a Form 990..... check http://www.guidestar.org/ for the last one filed, 2004 year. They won't file 2005 to sometime this year and maybe later if an exemption is requested.


159 posted on 07/22/2006 10:34:30 AM PDT by deport
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To: skeeter

You can a do wrong without breaking a law, and that's what appears to be happening here; breaking a trust is not breaking the law.

So many people here continue to make a basic mistake on this subject, and I think you're one of them.

You and many others believe that people who disagree with your ideas on how to properly handle the issue of border control and the presence of millions of illegal aliens on our soil, are not passionate about immigration law enforcement...that's simply wrong.

The fact that I may disagree on what you believe to be the solution to a problem only means that I disagree with your idea, not with the whole concept of immigration law enforcement.

This idea that your either for or against border enforcement based on whether or not one agrees with your idea of what the solution to the problem, is illogical...your solution may be wrong.

Disagreeing on what the solution may be does not make me less of a conservative than you, or you more of a conservative then me. It does not make you more passionate on the subject of immigration law enforcement than I am, nor me less passionate about it than you, and it certainly does not make me automatically wrong and you automatically right.


160 posted on 07/22/2006 10:37:02 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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