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7/17 Middle East Live Thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1666537/posts?page=3202 ^ | 7/17/06 | me

Posted on 07/16/2006 11:11:16 PM PDT by BurbankKarl

09:02 Amir Peretz: We won`t stop fighting before achieving our objectives (Haaretz)

08:52 Barrage of Katyusha rockets hits Kiryat Shmona (Itim)

08:48 IDF arrested 12 wanted Palestinian militants in overnight West Bank raids (Itim)

08:32 Two Qassam rockets land in Ashkelon; no casualties or damage reported (Channel 10)

08:07 One IDF soldier lightly injured in fighting in northern Gaza Strip (Israel Radio)

07:57 Asia-Pacific officials working to evacuate citizens from Lebanon (AP)

07:31 Rocket barrage slams into Safed; no immediate report of casualties, damage (Haaretz)

07:30 Two people lightly injured in Acre from rocket hits (Haaretz)

07:21 Alarm sirens heard in Tiberias, no hits reported as yet (Channel 10)

07:20 Two people lightly wounded by sharpnel in Qassam hits on Sderot (Haaretz)

07:07 Lebanese: IDF attacks Beirut port; large fire breaks out (AP)

07:00 Third Qassam rocket hits Sderot; no casualties reported (Haaretz)

06:56 IDF soldier injured in Beit Hanun (Haaretz)

06:49 Katyusha rocket hits community near northern town of Acre; 4 people injured (Haaretz)

06:43 Two loud explosions rock southern suburbs of Beirut (AP)

06:37 Two Qassam rockets hit Sderot; no casualties (Israel Radio)

06:16 Lebanese: 17 fatalities, 9 of them soldiers, in latest round of IDF strikes (Israel Radio)

06:13 Qassam rocket hits western Negev; no casualties (Israel Radio)

06:08 IAF strikes over 50 targets in Lebanon in overnight attacks (Israel Radio)

06:05 IDF says air raid sirens in Haifa were false alarm (Israel Radio)

06:03 Air raid sirens sound in Haifa (AP)

05:46 IDF: Lebanese military involved in Friday attack on Israeli ship (AP)

05:43 IDF: Radar stations targeted were used in Friday attack on Israeli ship (AP)

05:37 IDF: Latest attacks in Lebanon are against radar stations used by Hezbollah (AP)

05:13 Israel blames Hizbollah after Canadian deaths in southern Lebanon (Reuters)

04:35 Oil surges back toward record highs after weekend of Middle East violence (Reuters)

04:13 13 killed, including 8 soldiers, in renewed overnight IDF attacks in Lebanon (AP)

03:21 EU foreign ministers discuss diplomatic options in effort to end Mideast violence (AP)


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; hizballah; hizbullah; iran; islam; israel; jihad; middleeast; muhammadsminions; syria; terrorism; terrorists; ww3
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To: BurbankKarl

Dang. I'd love to see the footage of that.


1,181 posted on 07/17/2006 10:41:19 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Lebanon TV did have a small piece on Haifa....give them credit for that...then went to commercial break....A tourism commercial!


1,182 posted on 07/17/2006 10:41:27 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: CougarGA7

Israel TV now showing the F16 footage of the attack on the convoy...


1,183 posted on 07/17/2006 10:42:27 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: ScaniaBoy
"...The NDB (non-directional beacon) guidance system [of a ZelZal-2] works by placing a transmitter at the target area. Once the missile is launched, it acquires the radio signal from the beacon and homes in on it [1]..."

This implies that somebody at the target switches on a homing beacon....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelzal-2#Guidance

1,184 posted on 07/17/2006 10:42:37 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: KylaStarr

Why thank you!


1,185 posted on 07/17/2006 10:43:35 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: BurbankKarl

Do you have a live feed link to that?


1,186 posted on 07/17/2006 10:44:25 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: CougarGA7

You have to subscribe to CNN Pipeline...


1,187 posted on 07/17/2006 10:45:07 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Fitzcarraldo
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/new-project.htm

6. The Improved Version of Zelzal 2 Missile

The IRGC Air Force tested a new improved version of Zelzal 2 SS missile in the region east of Salt Lake south of Tehran in late September. The improved version of Zelzal 2 is accurately guided to the target by the non directional beacon (NDB) frequency system1.

The Defense Ministry's Missile Industries has employed the above system and has fitted an NDB receiver in the new missile warhead. After launching and four seconds before hitting the target, the missile receives the signals transmitted by the NDB system already placed in the target area and accordingly corrects its direction to hit the target accurately.

Zelzal 2 missile has a range of 300 km and the main feature in it is the guiding system. It has an error of 70 m.

At the present time, Zelzal 2 project is going through its final stages and it is pursued by the IRGC Missiles Unit, the Defense Ministry, the Aerospace Organization and Isfahan Aircraft Industries. The manufacture and the preliminary tests of Zelzal 2 were carried out in the Missile Industries' new sites in Moorcheh Khort2 near Isfahan. After successful tests, the IRGC Missile Unit will be in charge of maintaining and launching Zelzal 2 missile.

The IRGC Air Force prepared a confidential report on the features of the new missile and sent it to the IRGC command. It read: "Zelzal 2 missile has been produced for deploying in other countries and in Iraq in particular. When we want to hit a building in Iraq, we simply have to send an agent with the transmitter unit (which is not bigger than a mobile telephone) near the building to put it in a trash bin, beside the wall or on the roof. After an hour, an improved version of Zelzal 2 missile is launched towards the building and by receiving the signals from the transmitter the missile would be guided towards the target.

1,188 posted on 07/17/2006 10:45:27 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: BurbankKarl

Ah. Ok. Thanks.


1,189 posted on 07/17/2006 10:45:42 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: CougarGA7

This is a live press conf....looks like IAF general.....I am sure there will be clips coming out on Fox and CNN soon.


1,190 posted on 07/17/2006 10:45:44 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: rebel_yell2
Fascinating to read your posts. I admire how clear-headed you are with bombs falling around you.

The U.S. Embassy is particularly concerned about American citizens in the south and is working through the Warden System to reach them

What is the Warden System? Of any use to you?

Hope you get out ASAP, rebel_yell2.

1,191 posted on 07/17/2006 10:46:32 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: tsmith130; rebel_yell2

That is true...I wonder if rebel_yell will need financial help.

Rebe...are you going to need financial help to get home?


1,192 posted on 07/17/2006 10:46:33 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: txflake; del4hope

You are most welcome.

I've looked for a more current map but haven't been able to find one.


1,193 posted on 07/17/2006 10:46:54 AM PDT by KylaStarr (Stay ready)
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To: BurbankKarl

I'll keep an eye out for them. I'm not sure if I can bring myself to pay CNN for a subscription.


1,194 posted on 07/17/2006 10:46:58 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo

"...Zelzal 2 missile has a range of 300 km and the main feature in it is the guiding system. It has an error of 70 [meters]..."


1,195 posted on 07/17/2006 10:47:12 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo
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To: del4hope
Terrorist Networks in the U.S.
1,196 posted on 07/17/2006 10:49:12 AM PDT by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: CougarGA7

DEBKAfile Exclusive reveals: Hizballah leader Hassan Nassrallah and top command are holed up in Hermel, the northern Lebanese panhandle bordering Syria

July 17, 2006, 11:02 AM (GMT+02:00)

Among them, according to DEBKAfile’s military and Iranian sources, are Hizballah’s “chief of staff” Ibrahim Akil, its head of intelligence and terror Imad Mughniyeh and commander of special operations Halil Harab.

The group fled their Beirut HQ Saturday night, July 15, and went to ground in the emergency staff bunkers prepared in advance of their July 12 attack on Israel.

After failing to prevent the top Hizballah leaders’ escape from Beirut, the Israeli air force headed north Monday morning, July 17, and is clobbering the Hermel region.

DEBKAfile adds: The Hermel drug-farming pocket bordered north and east by Syria is the haunt of smugglers who use the remote, strategically placed region to move fighters, weapons, cash and drugs across Syria into Iraq and as a staging post to other parts of the Middle East. The smuggling gangs’ overlord is Mughniyeh, a triple Hizballah-Iran-al Qaeda agent and terrorist executive, who has figured high on the US wanted terrorist list for more than two decades. On his orders, the smugglers recently relocated their main operation from the Syrian-Iraqi border to the Syrian-Lebanese border in preparation for the new warfront against Israel. In the last 48 hours, Iran has used this illicit route to beat the Israeli air, sea and land blockade and pump quantities of rockets, anti-air and anti-tank missiles and other advanced weapons systems to Hizballah for a fresh escalation.

Syria's role in this smuggling operation is critical.

DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources add that the holds of all the Iranian passenger flights landing in Damascus from Thursday, July 13, have been crammed with weapons for Hizballah.

Friday and Saturday, 25 Iranian Revolutionary Guards officers, anti-tank and anti-air missile experts, arrived in mufti in the Syrian capital. They were led by the smugglers across mountain routes into Lebanon. Mughniye, a confidant of Iran's Ali Khamenei and Osama bin Laden, is constantly at Nasrallah’s side. He is believed by Israeli intelligence to have engineered the kidnap of the two Israeli soldiers on which sparked the hostilities July 12.


1,197 posted on 07/17/2006 10:49:44 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

They said today it will be the normal cost of a commercial plane ticket from Beirut to Cyprus.


1,198 posted on 07/17/2006 10:50:55 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: CougarGA7

Bush Wants the Hizballah-Israel War to Give Iran a Bloody Nose

DEBKAfile Special Analysis

July 17, 2006, 8:07 PM (GMT+02:00)

Since the onset of the Israel-Hizballah war on July 12, US president George W. Bush never tires of repeating that Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorists and that it is up to Syria to press Hizballah to stop shooting rockets at Israel.

His secretary of state Condoleezza Rice says she doesn’t see how an immediate ceasefire can solve the Middle East crisis.

UN secretary general Kofi Annan, playing along, is in no hurry to take a hand. “It will be a while before fighting ends,” he says calmly. And Germany’s Angela Merkel thinks the kidnapped Israeli soldiers should be returned before any talk begins.

Britain’s Tony Blair would like to put an international force into southern Lebanon, but Bush put him off none too gently according to an open mike at the G-8 summit. Anyway, south Lebanon already has an international force. It is called UNIFIL, and it has never stopped Hizballah firing a single cross-border shot.

All the world powers assembled in St. Petersburg for the G-8 summit agreed that Hizballah started the war as Tehran’s proxy terrorist arm. They picked up on the attitude of the US president, who is telling Israel: Let it run; but keep civilian casualties down and don’t kick too much Lebanese infrastructure.

Even Arab governments, which automatically fought any Israeli military action in the past, have formed a solid Sunni Muslim front, led by Saudi Arabia, which is content to watch the Shite Hizballah take a beating and the burgeoning Shiite assertiveness in the region squashed.

The Olmert government is eagerly exploiting this leisurely international climate to smash as much of Hizballah’s terror machine as he can before Washington holds up a stop sign. Monday, July 17, a clutch of would-be ceasefire brokers descended on Beirut and Jerusalem. None came with Bush’s nod, so they will not get very far.

In Tehran, the hardline supreme ruler, Ayatollah Khamenei, picked up on the prospect of the only export arm of Iran’s Shiite revolution facing a hammering in a drawn-out conflict. Sunday, July 16, four days into the hostilities, he spoke his first words in support for Hizballah. Typically, he struck out at UN Security Council resolution 1559 when he declared: No one will ever disarm the Hizballah.

On the same day, when black clouds of rockets and warplanes filled the skies of Lebanon and northern Israel, both Tehran and Damascus made a point of supporting Syria – not Hizballah – against a possible Israel attack.

This was seen by DEBKAfile’s Iranian sources as a jab at Bush and Rice first, Israel second.

This poker game between Tehran and Washington is going back and forth over the heads of Israel and Lebanon. It is the cause of the muddled statements coming from Israeli leaders with regard to the targets of the Lebanon campaign. They range from recovering the kidnapped soldiers, to smashing the Hizballah, breaking up its terrorist infrastructure (what about its personnel?), moving their positions back from the Israeli border to one kilometer or more (depending on the estimated range of their rockets), and forcing the Lebanese government to displace the Hizballah in the south and disarming the Shiite terrorists as ordered by the Security Council.

Meanwhile, no more than 25% of Hizballah’s arsenal has been destroyed in Israel’s six-day air blitz and cannonade, and no one is quite sure what surprises are in store in the form of long-range, heavy rockets or missiles, what hardware is being smuggled from Iran via Syria past the Israeli blockade, and whether either or both will intervene at some point – and how.

The green light flashing in Washington may give Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert a latitude never before granted any Israeli premier. But it also tells the Islamic Republic that its rulers’ meddling in Iraq carries a high price tag. By pulverizing Iran’s surrogate, Israel is articulating America’s determination to smash Iran’s strength and positions of influence around the Middle East and the Persian Gulf.

This determination was sparked by an unnoticed incident in Iraq on July 4, 2006.

On that day, for the first time in the Iraq War, Nasrallah activated the three-year old sleeper terror and sabotage networks Iranian and Hizballah intelligence had established across Iraq shortly after the US invasion. He was obeying orders from Iranian supreme ruler Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

America’s Day of Independence 2006 was selected for this group to make its first low-key attacks against US forces in Baghdad and British units in Basra and break surface under the name of The Abu al Fadal al Abas Brigades. No one had heard of it because Tehran had kept this Iraqi arm of Hizballah dark as the ultimate weapon to spring on the Americans in Iraq at the appropriate moment.

President Bush saw that if he looked away and let Iran’s challenge burst into full-blown action without responding, America’s standing in Iraq and the rest of the region would be forfeit. He was further stirred into a response by Tehran’s developing appetite for quick gains. On July 12, believing they had got away with it in Iraq, Iran and Hizballah followed it up by opening a second front against Israel, America’s ally: the Shiite terrorists kidnapped two Israeli soldiers.

That was the last straw, but George W. Bush turned it around as a boomerang to hit Tehran. The Israeli Defense Forces, there to hand, were more than ready to punish Hizballah and had been raring to go after five years of forced restraint against the Lebanese group and Palestinian terrorists. For Bush, this course offered America the chance of a bold, efficient blow against a Shiite extremist terrorist group without a single American soldier having to step onto the battlefield.

Therefore, Israel’s Operation Just Reward, which started out as a rescue operation for its two abducted soldiers, then a campaign to push Hizballah back from its border, within six days opened Lebanon up as a major arena for the showdown building up between the United States and Tehran over a whole bagful of issues - not least Iran’s nuclear defiance. However, the unacknowledged object of Israel’s campaign is none of the highly rational goals outlined by officials. It is to satisfy Washington that Tehran has been given a bloody nose and is ready to pull back from its deepening political, military and intelligence interference in Iraq.

To this end, Bush decided to let the armed forces of the Jewish state strike out against a fundamentalist Islamic force. For Israel, this is a first, a chance awaited since the first Gulf War of 1991 to get its own back on the radical Arab assailants besetting the country. This chance was denied even when it came under attack from Saddam Hussein’s missiles in 1991. Israel was then consistently held back from ridding itself of the vicious Palestinian suicide terror launched in 2000, leaving the conflict unresolved to this day. Israel was kept on the sidelines of the US global war on terror, even though it targeted the Jewish state no less than the West.

Now, Ehud Olmert has picked up the gauntlet handed by Washington and decided to settle a long score with a Shiite terror group plaguing Israel from its northern border. He has plunged the country into a conflict that may well draw Iran and Syria in on the side of the enemy.

No one can tell how it will come out.

Israeli generals and officials asked about the objectives of this war are cagey; they can’t tell what will eventuate in the next 24 hours – and not only because of the uncertain fortunes of war. The tricky test is to correlate Israeli and American interests from one day to the next. Hizballah keeps on threatening “new surprises,” because its leaders are also playing their tactics by ear, dependent on the support and weapons Tehran judges it politic to release.

The conflict may only just be at the beginning. None of the main players show any eagerness to cut it short before they attain their purpose.


1,199 posted on 07/17/2006 10:51:15 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Where is the thread where everyone's talking about the Bush-Blair open mic conversation at the G-8? For some reason I can't find it anywhere.


1,200 posted on 07/17/2006 10:52:27 AM PDT by lainie
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