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1 posted on 07/15/2006 3:20:17 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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FYI.


2 posted on 07/15/2006 3:21:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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Ouch! Right at the waterline.


3 posted on 07/15/2006 3:21:58 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping Jeff.


4 posted on 07/15/2006 3:23:24 PM PDT by fanfan
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If the angle of impact was from the stern quarter it doesn't
look like the Phalanx would have had much coverage.
Israel maybe very lucky in this instance and learn a lot
about how their construction holds up, fire control, etc.


5 posted on 07/15/2006 3:24:33 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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I am now leaning towards the systems not being engaged at the time of attack.

Seems more than likely they weren't. Somebody's got some splainin' to do.

6 posted on 07/15/2006 3:25:02 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Who built the ship and equipped it?


7 posted on 07/15/2006 3:25:10 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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That's a nasty place for a hit - near the engine room ...


8 posted on 07/15/2006 3:26:42 PM PDT by Ken522
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FYI.


10 posted on 07/15/2006 3:27:47 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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From all the different reports I'd seen, anywhere from raging fires out of control to the boat sinking, I'd say it looks to be in pretty good condition considering what its been though.


11 posted on 07/15/2006 3:28:03 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Man was made in the image of God, not pond scum)
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Damn. Smack on the waterline, a clean hit. Looks like they may have been lucky to save it. I'm not so sure about the CIWS being able to engage it, though. If it came from the rear quarter, it might not have been able to turn back and down far enough. I do agree that it sounds like the crew, somehow, got caught unawares. Maybe they were too close to shore, not paying attention, distracted by the first missile, or some combination.

There was something mentioned in one article about the fire continuously reigniting after the crew put it out. Seems to me I remember hearing similar stories from the Falklands war, regarding the aluminum and magnesium and similar light alloys used in modern ships where older vessels used steel. It's worth remembering that these modern ships aren't the armored juggernauts we tend to think about from World War II. They're comparatively light and fragile, emphasizing their technology, speed, and firepower over armor.

}:-)4


12 posted on 07/15/2006 3:28:37 PM PDT by Moose4 (Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad.)
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Wow - right at the water line - good job of damage control ...


14 posted on 07/15/2006 3:29:13 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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There doesn't seem to be much damage. Not much of a list on the ship, and it's helicopter is still on the flight deck.

Israel hasn't had a real "Shootin' War" for over three decades. They're about due.

I've a feeling Syria's going to get its ass kicked.... Again!

Jack.


15 posted on 07/15/2006 3:29:16 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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FYI...more infor with pics.


16 posted on 07/15/2006 3:29:44 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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Looking at the impact point and considering the images of the C802 missile, would it be too far off to suggest that it was a near miss in that the water absorbed a lot of the explosion? A direct hit from that type of missile IMHO should have sunk it period or at least caused greater structural damage. I'm not a seaman but it seems they got off very lucky.


21 posted on 07/15/2006 3:33:11 PM PDT by Godzilla (Evil can be defeated when the good are unafraid.)
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FYI...more info with pics.


27 posted on 07/15/2006 3:38:24 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Jeff Head

Interesting pics.


30 posted on 07/15/2006 3:39:18 PM PDT by fso301
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that's pretty serious looking boat.


34 posted on 07/15/2006 3:40:31 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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To: Jeff Head
Looks like she's not listing, or anything, so it didn't do too much damage. And that's a tiny ship.

(BTW, did you see the Australian review of September Day that I sent)?

35 posted on 07/15/2006 3:40:53 PM PDT by LS
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Thanks for the pics!

It looks like it hit from a rear angle (from the soot), but I have no idea how much of an angle it was. It looks more like a round hole than an elongated one, which would be more of a square hit than a stern-angle hit. IMHO, maybe from about 120 degrees off the bow? Major SWAG.

If the flight characteristics are similar to the Exocet, then the CIWS would only have a few seconds to hit it, in the final pop-up phase of its run. That is enough time, if they saw it coming. I agree: I don't think that the CIWS was powered up. Nor do I think that their passive gear was hot. They'd have seen it in enough time to turn the boat if it had have been.


41 posted on 07/15/2006 3:44:37 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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That doesn't look like much of a impact to me from an exploding anti-ship missile, more like a dud that pieced the helo bay and blew up a helo fully gassed.

No expert, certainly.


42 posted on 07/15/2006 3:45:05 PM PDT by Shermy
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