Especially this person...
Posted on 07/13/2006 8:22:00 AM PDT by itsinthebag
Developing . . .
I agree. I've told my family for some time now that it's all so strange, like history repeating itself and that this must have been what it felt like for my parents and grandparents as they watched things develop spinning out of control and leading up to WWII (or WWI). I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me otherwise.
I don't think so. I think the WB and Gaza was supposed to be Palestinian, but after being attacked in 1967 the Israelis took them, as well as the Golan Heights, as a buffer zone against artillery fire on their settlements.
Unless they already have the nukes...
Does that meet your standard for "complete public proof"?
'Concerns' that it 'could' happen?
Frenzy-whipping is neither helpful nor wise in times like this.
On CNN this morning, they highlighted the fact that Hezbollah is active in the community. They build hospitals, schools, and provide a welfare program. Pillars of the society.
I agree completely.
THanks
Nope...think about it for a second. Iran will be a tough nut to crack, no doubt. BUT, what about Syria? Would it not better serve our interests to dismantle Syria...before we went into it with Iran.
Amen.
I spent a few minutes googling Thunder 1, and all I could come up with (except in relation to online gaming) was an Iranian mobile gun, 122 mm
Looked like a tank to me, but what do I know?
Especially this person...
"What would the USA do?"
History tells me we would do nothing.1983 220 Marines died. Did we go to War when our troops were killed in Beirut by the suicide bomber? Or when the Cole was bombed or even the prior incidents at the world trade center.
Of course, I didn't even hint that Israel should do nothing to get their men back. Or that they should do nothing to keep them from getting shipped to Iran. So your argument is simply an invention.
What I am saying is that an ambigous statement to a news organization does not constitute "complete public proof" that Iran is behind the actions, justifying responsive action - as suggested by the poster to whom I was responding.
If you don't have any interest in responding to what I've actually said - rather than making something up - why do you even bother?
Remember -- we were dropping bombs when Osama Bin-Laden was out there building roads, building schools, building day-cares.
Hope this scripture helps.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? [Is there] unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Meaning the firing wasn't a test? That they had targets but failed? Possible I suppose. Seven failures seem unlikely unless they truly have nothing but fancy bottle rockets.
At any rate, I have been an engineer too long accept "coincidence" as an explanation for the proximity of these events. Happy to be proven wrong, but will wait for data.
If you're referring to they as the Israelis, then your statement is not correct.
Various intelligence services said the same thing, and Colin Powell said this about the tubes we had in our possession and knew quite a bit about:
By now, just about everyone has heard of these tubes, and we all know that there are differences of opinion. There is controversy about what these tubes are for. Most U.S. experts think they are intended to serve as rotors in centrifuges used to enrich uranium. Other experts, and the Iraqis themselves, argue that they are really to produce the rocket bodies for a conventional weapon, a multiple rocket launcher. Let me tell you what is not controversial about these tubes. First, all the experts who have analyzed the tubes in our possession agree that they can be adapted for centrifuge use. Second, Iraq had no business buying them for any purpose. They are banned for Iraq. I am no expert on centrifuge tubes, but just as an old Army trooper, I can tell you a couple of things: First, it strikes me as quite odd that these tubes are manufactured to a tolerance that far exceeds U.S. requirements for comparable rockets. Maybe Iraqis just manufacture their conventional weapons to a higher standard than we do, but I don't think so. Second, we actually have examined tubes from several different batches that were seized clandestinely before they reached Baghdad. What we notice in these different batches is a progression to higher and higher levels of specification, including, in the latest batch, an anodized coating on extremely smooth inner and outer surfaces. Why would they continue refining the specifications, go to all that trouble for something that, if it was a rocket, would soon be blown into shrapnel when it went off?
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