Rudy for president?

Townhall.com ^ | 7/8/06 | Robert Novak

[mathprof]

Well-connected public figures report that they have been told recently by Rudolph Giuliani that, as of now, he intends to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The former mayor of New York was on top of last month's national Gallup poll measuring presidential preferences by registered Republicans, with 29 percent. Sen. John McCain's 24 percent was second, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich third at 8 percent. National polls all year have shown Giuliani running either first or second to McCain, with the rest of the presidential possibilities far behind.

Republican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

[NapkinUser]

Don't get me wrong. I don't support John McCain for president.

He's not even stable on being a pro-lifer now, huh? Can he hold a single conservative issue? Anti-pork spending maybe.

[don-o]

That's nice. If all us freepers were so nice, what a more wonderful place this would be. You have freepmail.

[JCEccles]

So Rudy did make NYC a safe haven for illegal immigrants. That's essentially what Bush is doing now on a naitonal scale--and for the same "prudent" reasons. So, Giuliani would already be up to speed on that part of the job. Wonderful.

Thank you for your candor.

[NapkinUser]

"As for myself I would vote for anybody now being spoken of for the Republican nomination (except Tancredo) if their opponent was Hillary."

So support a liberal and oppose a conservative? That doesn't seem right to me personally.

I'm also pinging Spiff since he has that list of Tancredo's ratings from various groups that he could post here.

[Reagan Man]

>>>>Roe v. Wade did not cost the government a cent.

Right. It cost us a lot more as a nation. It cost us the lives of 46 million citizens, of which 95% were killed from abortion on demand. Both Rudy and Schwarzy are big spenders, big government Republicans to the max. Rudy even supports partial birth abortion and both he and Arnie are for infringing on my 2nd amendment rights with more gun control measures. Rudy and Arnie support special rights for homos. People need to wake up and get with the conservative agenda. Liberalism is for liberals.

[Sabramerican]

If a Bayh or Warner have a chance of winning in 2008, they will decimate any of the mentionable Republican except for Giuliani and McCain.

Giuliani and McCain are not mere politicians, they are celebrity superstars- a huge plus in these United States- and they will beat anyone.

[new cruelty]

VANITY: The best way to keep America a sovereign free nation is to keep the Democrats out of power!

The above is a link to a vanity thread posted by Jim Robinson in January 2004 that is worth considering even today when discussing Presidential nominees.

[JCEccles]

There are safer, winning, conservative choices than Giuliani.

[Artemis Webb]

I happen to agree with Sabramerican. Also as a bonus he does not have a long history of playing word games with peoples statements and being smart ass'd.

[epow]

Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

Homosexual "rights", abortion, gun control, what other important issues is Giuliani on the wrong side of?

I would not vote for him because of his pro-abortion policy alone, and when his support for more gun control and more bogus "rights" for sodomites is added in to the socially liberal stewpot there is no way on God's green earth that I would ever vote for the man. I would never vote for a Democrat who is on the wrong side of those issues, so why would I vote for a man who supports the same liberal position as the Democrat just because he has an R after his name? AFAIK there is no law saying that I have to vote for any candidate.

[JCEccles]

You think making NYC a haven for illegal immigrants is a good thing?

[Alberta's Child]

Ok, since being a Canadian excuses you for asking such a question.

If I were a Canadian you might have a point.

Now, Can you explain why you posted an image in your profile of a soldier pointing his weapon at a possibly booby trapped body on the floor? Why didn't you post an image of Mr. Berg's head?

Why don't you read the freaking quotation under that photo? I posted that back when those soldiers were being run through the wringer for what they had done, and I swore I'd vote for Mickey Mouse in every presidential election for the rest of my life if they U.S. military dared to have those guys face a court martial.

Now that you know the story, why don't you tell me what the f#%& Nick Berg's head has to do with it?

Commissioner Kerik relied on his anti-terrorism training to set up a command post, with Mayor Giuliani and Fire Department Commissioner Von Essen, to begin the massive rescue operation.

The "command post" was already there in that specific location, having been built by the City of New York to serve as a central command post in the event of a terrorist attack after the 1993 bombing of the world trade center. Was Kerik the dim bulb in the Giuliani administration who recommended that they build the thing in the basement of a building complex that had been identified as a primary terrorist target for years?

[Reagan Man]

Let me remind you that Reagan nominated/appointed conservatives Robert Bork, Antonin Scalia, William Reinquist and Anthony Kennedy tothe high court. While Kennedy has strayed from his conservative roots on abortion, he still sides with the courts conservatives on some issues.

We won't know how Alito or Roberts will turn out for decades. Although J Alito seems to have the right stuff.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

They pretend the POTUS election is FEAR FACTOR and parade aroudn Hillary, Dean, Etc..

(As if their 'liberal' PROGRESSIVE candidate were the ONLY one capable of beating HER)..

That is saying that 'ONLY' a liberal can beat a MEGA-liberal..

I SAY "balooney"!!

So do I... needs to be repeated...

[Sabramerican]

If you don't want to understand the reason I can't help you.

But. I'm curious. What you would have done as Mayor.

An illegal has a communicable disease, want him to avoid hospitals.

A criminal gang threatens illegals, want the illegals, afraid to go to the police, to fight back on the streets.

Immigration is a Federal responsibity.

Should NYC have arrested everyone illegal who came in contact with the city? Done what with them?

[Artemis Webb]

I really don't care if Tancredo has a 100 from the ACU or not.

He is way too in love with himself for my taste.

[slowhand520]

"Gingrich's time has come and gone"

I listen to the candidates out there. In my opinion Newt has better ideas and can articulate his vision better than Allen, McCain, Giulliani and every other(R)candidate. Much of his domestic policy is predicated on self sufficiency and accountability. Two attributes Americans are forgetting. In addition, he underscores the importance of a strong military and an aggressive war on terror. Read the "Contract with America". That is basically his platform.
I haven't heard any of the aforementioned candidates say anything. It's all about ideas. And Newt's got them. You say "Gingrich's time has come and gone". The same could have been said of Nixon in '60 and Reagan in '76.

[Artemis Webb]

Look JC...let me make one thing really clear. I don't like you. I never have. I really don't want to dialog with you because I dislike you so much.

If you want to take care of the illegal problem I suggest you go down to the border and join the minutemen who really are doing something rather than posturing on FR.

[Alberta's Child]

Illegals were not asked their status nor was their status acted upon when they sought city services.

Why do you insist on attempting to misrepresent the policy that was in place in New York City under Giuliani? Illegals were not asked their status -- and the status was not acted upon -- even if the "city services" they "sought" involved arrest and detention by the NYPD for breaking the law.

This is what is ultimately going to destroy Giuliani's credibility as the best candidate to lead the so-called "war on terror." If Mohammed Atta and his fellow terrorists had been arrested on September 10th, 2001 for jumping a subway turnstile in New York City and it was learned that they had outstanding INS warrants for being in the U.S. on expired visas, the NYPD would have been prohibited -- under the policy that the Giuliani administration proudly maintained in direct violation of Federal law -- from turning them over to the INS.

When a candidate like this has such a miserable track record -- even on an issue that people insist is going to be one his greatest strengths!! -- you understand why so many of us recognize his presidential aspirations as a delusional pipe-dream.

[MNJohnnie]

He knew the wisdom of limited government infringement upon the liberties of man.

I see your point. By today's term the interjection of the Feds into personal Liberties, Lincoln would qualify as a Libertarian. He use to get slammed in his political campaigns by the "Religious Right" of his day as an atheist. The problem is modern political terms do not really fit all that well to historic figures. While he was Libertarian in some aspects of his ideology he was almost a Socialist in others.