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Britons see US as vulgar empire builder
Telegraph UK ^ | Ben Fenton

Posted on 07/03/2006 9:56:09 AM PDT by Mazi83

Britons have never had such a low opinion of the leadership of the United States, a YouGov poll shows.

As Americans prepare to celebrate the 230th anniversary of their independence tomorrow, the poll found that only 12 per cent of Britons trust them to act wisely on the global stage. This is half the number who had faith in the Vietnam-scarred White House of 1975.

Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite.

American troops are failing either to win "hearts and minds" in Iraq or bring democracy to that country.

More than two-thirds who offered an opinion said America is essentially an imperial power seeking world domination. And 81 per cent of those who took a view said President George W Bush hypocritically championed democracy as a cover for the pursuit of American self-interests.

A spokesman for the American embassy said that the poll's findings were contradicted by its own surveys.

"We question the judgment of anyone who asserts the world would be a better place with Saddam still terrorizing his own nation and threatening people well beyond Iraq's borders.

"With respect to the poll's assertions about American society, we bear some of the blame for not successfully communicating America's extraordinary dynamism.

"But frankly, so do you [the British press]."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antiamericanism; eurotwitsforkerry; geopolitics
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To: spanalot
The left controls the press in England
Nonsense. The Telegraph is and always has been conservative, for instance, and is the biggest selling broadsheet.
101 posted on 07/03/2006 11:38:11 AM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: san juan

How does the average American view the European countries:

1.Their socialist system of government should be emulated.
2.They are more sophisticated in the intricacies of diplomacy
3.Their propensity to wink at terrorism against Israel is to be admired.
4.They have been giving weasels a bad name for a long time.


102 posted on 07/03/2006 11:44:06 AM PDT by Keflavik76
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To: Mazi83

Takes one to know one.


103 posted on 07/03/2006 11:46:45 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: JewishRighter
a once-great nation now reduced to sidekick and overrun by the Asian/Arabic population they once ruled.
The first part is undoubtedly true, the second not. Those ethnicities are broadly in line percentage wise in both the US and UK. It is not the case that Asians/Arabs exert a control or influence greater than their small proportion of the British population, if anything it is less than you would expect.

The only people saying otherwise are the mouthbreathers in the BNP.

104 posted on 07/03/2006 11:47:36 AM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: dfwgator
Here's how I see the brits.


105 posted on 07/03/2006 12:00:54 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: vimto

#54. Glad to Hear it, from You!!!!:-)
Happy fourth of July, to You, vimto!!!!:-)


106 posted on 07/03/2006 12:01:27 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: dr_who_2

They dumped Mark Steyn and have been falling fast ever since.....They even giveaway a small version of the New York Slimes every week.......

This poll was a shamefull thing to do in front of July 4th and I would like to apologise on behalf of the many Brits who still think the US is great.


107 posted on 07/03/2006 12:01:51 PM PDT by crazycat
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To: Mazi83

The British regard vulgar as equivalent to common, low-class; sounds like the same old, same old to me.


108 posted on 07/03/2006 12:04:02 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Mazi83

Britain has gall to make a statement about vulgar Americans.

If the British (and the rest of Europe) hadn't played empire and divided the world into countries and regions that should not have been created, we wouldn't be out there trying to fix their mess.

Frankly, I'd rather not clean up anyone else's feces, but look at Africa and look at the ME and look at the Balkans and then tell me who is vulgar; the ones who left the mess or the ones who have to sweep up?


109 posted on 07/03/2006 12:05:11 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: Mazi83

I guess it takes one to tell one. The "British Empire" did more than enough to set up the strange groupings of native clans into "nations" of today. Why do you think Iraq is so screwed up ethenic group wise.

Yes, they are certainly in a position to critize "empire building"; they ceratinly screwed theirs up all by themselves!
(Apologies to Mad Ivan, of course!)


110 posted on 07/03/2006 12:05:32 PM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: DrDavid

they are trying to pander to the soft left on behalf of the cretin who is running the ex-tory party, David "Call me Dave" Cameron.

That's where he thinks he will get his votes, but so far he is just loseing all his traditional voters like me.

I will never vote for him and as of now, the Telegraph will no longer be in my house....


111 posted on 07/03/2006 12:06:05 PM PDT by crazycat
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To: Mazi83
Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite.

I can see how an old decadent culture could misinterpret competitiveness for cruelty and self-confidence as arrogance. We look people straight in the eye and shake their hands as an equal. Many cultures don't. American have historically been known for their passion, curiosity, vigor and robust enthusiasm. The Brits seem a reserved, "pinched" and whiney in comparison.

As far as vulgarity - have they never heard of Benny Hill and Carry On Theater? Talk about baudy. I would say that, in comparison, Americans have chucked the art of Victorian innuendo. We are right out there in a matter of fact way, thanks to Hollywood. I will agree, it is not as funny an approach as oblique references to "naughty bits." I personally prefer the Victorian style.

I will agree that money is the prominent American measure of success. Perhaps because it is a competitive measure and does not drag up historic memories of privileged classes with inherited wealth and power. Entrenched class structures would appear to be far more a British than an American thing. I would think Americans would think that Brits are far more aware of institutional class strata than Americans. (Think Queens, Dukes, Duchesses and Sirs.)

I think the perception of racism and crime comes from the MSM. I don't see it as a prominent reality out in Red State America. Is this a by-product of pictures of Katrina?

112 posted on 07/03/2006 12:14:22 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Mazi83
"Most Britons see America as a cruel, vulgar, arrogant society, riven by class and racism, crime-ridden, obsessed with money and led by an incompetent hypocrite.

Time warp.... this was when Bill Clinton was President and Algore was VP. We have improved enormously in the past few years, and now we are once again tough, proud, freedom-loving people (for the most part) unwilling to sit by and watch the Euro-weenies wreck the world. Now if only we could trade all our socialist wankers to the EU and they could send us the modest numbers of people there still interested in standing up for freedom. Everyone would be happy - the EU could continue to drown in its socialist platitudes and the USA would continue on our merry way making the world safe for their idiocies.
113 posted on 07/03/2006 12:28:48 PM PDT by Enchante (Keller & Sulzberger: Forget elections, WE are the self-appointed judges of everything)
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To: xpertskir
Yup :) It pays to consider the source. Of the poll is this case...
114 posted on 07/03/2006 12:28:50 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: spanalot

The Right hates the US as much. It was the right--the Tories--who would have cut a deal with Hitler in 1940.


115 posted on 07/03/2006 12:32:18 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: marsh2

England is still a class-ridden society, suprisingly so.


116 posted on 07/03/2006 12:40:17 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Rummenigge

I was thinking of the
Western Mail, Guardian, BBC - some of the most prejudiced news organizations in the world.


117 posted on 07/03/2006 1:39:24 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: planetesimal

I dont consider the "conservative" party to be conservative - at least not since Thatcher.

They and the Labor party are ready to sell out the entire country to the PC. London will be mostly "minority" by 2010.


118 posted on 07/03/2006 1:48:16 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: RobbyS

Dont confuse the Brits "conservatives" with real conservatism.


119 posted on 07/03/2006 1:49:04 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Mazi83

Tough.


120 posted on 07/03/2006 1:51:50 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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