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Grape growers squeezed
San Francisco Business Times ^ | June 23, 2006 | Adrienne Sanders

Posted on 06/30/2006 11:38:46 AM PDT by Tamar1973

Elias Torres will pick grapes this season for the first time in 25 years.

The vineyard manager usually sends his laborers to do the work. But in the last two months, more than half of his 60-person staff has disappeared, he said, as a result of federal immigration crackdowns. So Torres, a 57-year-old quadruple bypass survivor, will pluck and sweat alongside field workers -- and even the vineyard owners who hire him to bring them in.

"This is the worst labor shortage I've seen since I came here in 1961," said Torres, a native of Guanajuato, Mexico, who manages work teams for more than a half-dozen growers.

Sonoma and Napa county vineyard owners -- those who grow and sell grapes to wineries -- are panicking that a recent evaporation of field workers will leave them unable to pick all their grapes at harvest in mid-September. Many are already three weeks behind schedule on crucial tasks that lead up to harvesting.

"If it continues the way it is now, we're not going to have guys and there are going to be grapes left on the vine," said Gio Martorana, a vineyard owner in Healdsburg, who sells Zinfandel, Chardonnay and other grapes to Gallo, Sonoma Creek and Amphora wineries.

That means pain at the beginning of the wine chain, where growers' labor costs have leapt as much as 25 percent this season, in part, due to a shortage of workers.

Wineries selling varietals to glassy-eyed tourists and supermarket shoppers don't grow all the fruit for the wine they make. Rather, they buy tons of specially tended grapes from surrounding growers, often contracting with several each season.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: agriculture; aliens; amnesty; grapegrowers; guestworker; illegal; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; labor; propaganda; wine
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To: Tamar1973

As a (former) winemaker and vineyard type, there are always alternatives - but it will cause a big labor squeeze in the short term. Winegrape harvest isn't for nearly two months so time to start figuring it out. Mechanical harvesting isn't always an option, depends on your row configuration and such.

As for raising the price, there are price elasticity issues. Not a big deal on the super premiums but huge at the lower end.

Cheers.


21 posted on 06/30/2006 12:06:27 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: Tamar1973

There is no shortage of citizen-workers and legal resident workers anywhere in the U.S.; only shortages of workers willing to work for less than what some employers are willing to pay.


22 posted on 06/30/2006 12:08:12 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: mysterio

Yeah, he's basically admitted a quarter century of illegal business practices. The guy should be held to account for his crimes.


23 posted on 06/30/2006 12:08:28 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: mgstarr

All the patriots now need to srcream about unemployed, kids, even prisoners getting out there and getting the work done. A real governor would do that, too.


24 posted on 06/30/2006 12:11:12 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: garyhope
Mayb all those displaced Katrina "victims" that Jesse and Al are whining about could be put to work in the vinyards.

Because they get paid more to sit on their butts and complain to the MSM about their so-called life all day.

25 posted on 06/30/2006 12:11:19 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


26 posted on 06/30/2006 12:13:17 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: ClaireSolt

Picking grapes is actually great fun and not especially difficult. That said, there isn't a big pool of casual labor in the immediate area apart from the aforementioned.

Quite frankly, I don't want to see this governor or any other government official involved in a purely business matter. They'll figure out a way to screw it up even more. The market works quite well if you let it.


27 posted on 06/30/2006 12:20:34 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: Wuli

"only shortages of workers willing to work for less than what some employers are willing to pay."

Try only shortagees of workers willing to work for less than welfare pays!


28 posted on 06/30/2006 12:24:51 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Tamar1973

I know, that's why I said it. I'm a smart a$$.


29 posted on 06/30/2006 12:28:50 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: dalereed
"Try only shortagees of workers willing to work for less than welfare pays!"

Most migrant farm laborers make over $100 a day, thats more than welfare. The problem is, they have to WORK for it.
30 posted on 06/30/2006 12:33:51 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: Tamar1973

The South had similar problems after the Civil War.


31 posted on 06/30/2006 12:37:52 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Beagle8U

When you add up the benefits welfare pays more than $100/day, at least in California and they can sit on their backsides to get it.

30 years ago I knew a construction superintendant that penciled it out and could make over $30k/year on welfare. He transfered his home, boat, dunebuggy, and all his assets to relatives and quit his good paying job and went on welfare. Of course being a skilled craftsman he made just as much working for cash on the side since he didn't have to work being on welfare and the welfare became added income.


32 posted on 06/30/2006 12:39:10 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
I vote that we outlaw unions, end welfare and food-stamps, we'll find out just who wants to work, and who wants to starve. We can deport the ones that wont work, I don't give a cra* where they were born.
33 posted on 06/30/2006 12:45:45 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: dalereed

No, as the "news" in the original thread points out; the wineries would have had enough workers if construction, even its lowest-skill tasks, and other trades did not offer higher salaries.

Slide those factors up the scale in all industries, especially those that more than others depend on domestic, as opposed to overseas, labor, and foreclose the ability to obtain cheaper illegal labor and you get greater investment in labor-saving technology, which results in job requirements for higher-skill levels of workers which supports higher salaries the business or industry was orginally competing with.

Continue an economy's addiction to cheap illegal labor and you get an economy that can grow with continued dependence on continued, cheap illegal labor; with a growing spread between an ever enlarging bottom and an ever greedier top - which the income data of the last six years reflect.

Its amazing how the Japanese economy pulled out of a ten-year, deflationary recession, avoided massive unemployment, continued to be a world export leader, did not see huge declines in wages and...........has very little immigration at all.

Yet, the economic mantra here attempts to portray "immigration" as almost Christlike in its salvatory attributes.


34 posted on 06/30/2006 12:46:08 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
"Its amazing how the Japanese economy pulled out of a ten-year, deflationary recession, avoided massive unemployment, continued to be a world export leader, did not see huge declines in wages and...........has very little immigration at all."

There are lots of Japanese companies here that are doing just fine, you should go to work at one of those.

But you better never utter the word "union", because they have none, will allow none, and will fire you.
35 posted on 06/30/2006 12:53:44 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: mgstarr
I didn't work in the vineyards much, but I grew up in and around the business in Sonoma County (and the family had larger wineries in the San Joaquin Valley). When I was a kid, most of the seasonal pickers were braceros, but the year 'round vineyard workers were usually Mexican-Americans (citizens). Chavez and the UFWOC did enormous damage to the industry (wish I still had some "Eat Grapes - The Forbidden Fruit" bumper stickers) unionizing the workers, and creating the conditions that made bringing in the illegals hugely attractive.

It's funny, but I'd bet this will hurt the big operations (who tend to rely on mechanical harvesting) less than the boutique guys who spent millions on the land, vines, equipment and "stuff" and don't pay the workers sheeeet.

I'll hate to see prices go up, but in truth most of small wineries products (with exceptions) are overpriced and you can get better everyday wine from the majors - assuming you know what you're looking for.

36 posted on 06/30/2006 12:53:54 PM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: kenavi

DEFINATLY!!!!!!!


37 posted on 06/30/2006 1:01:49 PM PDT by grapeape ("If your attack is going too well, you're probably walking into an ambush.")
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To: hispanarepublicana

I was just about to ask that very question.


38 posted on 06/30/2006 1:04:35 PM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: Tamar1973
They could stand to loose some weight from all of that outdoor exercise. Plus the state of Louisiana could use the mass exodus of the "children of socialism."
39 posted on 06/30/2006 1:04:44 PM PDT by grapeape ("If your attack is going too well, you're probably walking into an ambush.")
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To: Beagle8U

Mm...a friend of mine has unpredictable seizures...some days, he's fine; some days, he's not. The seizures tend to screw him up for 12+ hours at a time (seizure lasts a few seconds, but the brain take a long time to "hard reset.") He takes more pills per day than I hope to in a year and they help, but they can't fix all the seizures. He wants to work, but no job will take him because he can't predict his hours. Plus, most non-government insurance won't pay for the drugs that he needs. So he's stuck on welfare, miserable.

What should be done with him?


40 posted on 06/30/2006 1:07:45 PM PDT by slightlyovertaxed
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