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1 posted on 06/27/2006 4:33:33 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

A Critical Appraisal

In the latter half of the nineteenth century, as the new school institution slowly took root after the Civil War in big cities and the defeated South, some of the best minds in the land, people fit by their social rank to comment publicly, spoke out as they watched its first phalanx of graduates take their place in the traditional American world. All these speakers had been trained themselves in the older, a-systematic, noninstitutional schools. At the beginning of another new century, it is eerie to hear what these great-grandfathers of ours had to say about the mass schooling phenomenon as they approached their own fateful new century.

In 1867, world-famous American physician and academic Vincent Youmans lectured the London College of Preceptors about the school institution just coming into being:

School produces mental perversion and absolute stupidity. It produces bodily disease. It produces these things by measures which operate to the prejudice of the growing brain. It is not to be doubted that dullness, indocility, and viciousness are frequently aggravated by the lessons of school.

Thirteen years later, Francis Parkman (of Oregon Trail fame) delivered a similar judgment. The year was 1880, at the very moment Wundt was founding his laboratory of scientific psychology in Germany:

Many had hoped that by giving a partial teaching to great numbers of persons, a thirst for knowledge might be awakened. Thus far, the results have not equaled expectations. Schools have not borne any fruit on which we have cause to congratulate ourselves. (emphasis added)

In 1885, the president of Columbia University said:

The results actually attained under our present system of instruction are neither very flattering nor very encouraging.

In 1895, the president of Harvard said:

Ordinary schooling produces dullness. A young man whose intellectual powers are worth cultivating cannot be willing to cultivate them by pursuing phantoms as the schools now insist upon.

When he said this, compulsion schooling in its first manifestation was approaching its forty-fifth year of operations in Massachusetts, and running at high efficiency in the city of Cambridge, home to Harvard.

Then, in the early years of the twentieth century, pedagogy underwent another metamorphosis that resulted in an even more efficient scientific form of schooling. Four years before WWI broke out, a well-known European thinker and schoolman, Paul Geheeb, whom Einstein, Hermann Hesse, and Albert Schweitzer all were to claim as a friend, made this commentary on English and German types of forced schooling:

The dissatisfaction with public schools is widely felt. Countless attempts to reform them have failed. People complain about the "overburdening" of schools; educators argue about which parts of curriculum should be cut; but school cannot be reformed with a pair of scissors. The solution is not to be found in educational institutions. (emphasis added)

In 1930, the yearly Inglis Lecturer at Harvard made the same case:

We have absolutely nothing to show for our colossal investment in common schooling after 80 years of trying.

Thirty years passed before John Gardner’s "Annual Report to the Carnegie Corporation," in 1960, added this:

Too many young people gain nothing [from school] except the conviction they are misfits.

The record after 1960 is no different. It is hardly unfair to say that the stupidity of 1867, the fruitlessness of 1880, the dullness of 1895, the cannot be reformed of 1910, the absolutely nothing of 1930, and the nothing of 1960 have continued into the schools of today. We pay four times more in real dollars than we did in 1930 and thus we buy even more of what mass schooling dollars always bought.


2 posted on 06/27/2006 4:34:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Tired of Taxes; Born Conservative; wintertime; arbooz

Here are three more notable quotes regarding the state of public schools at the time they were published:

"The teaching of reading--all over the United States, in all of the schools, in all of the textbooks--is totally wrong and flies in the face of all logic and common sense. Johnny couldn't read...for the simple reason that nobody ever showed him how. Johnny's only problem was that he was unfortunately exposed to an ordinary American public school...Did you know that the teaching of reading was never a problem anywhere in the world uintil the United States switched to the present system?"

Rudolph Flesch, "Why Johnny Can't Read", 1955.


"It is common knowlege among educators that at least one third of our school children lag behind their age and grade in reading, all the way through school. Thousands emerge from high school totally unable to read and comprehend so much as the daily paper. As for reading for pleasure - only a lucky minority ever learn to do that...It's nothing new, it's been going on for years."

Colliers Magazine, 1946.


"School-days, I believe, are the unhappiest in the whole span of human existance. They are full of dull, unintelligible tasks, unpleasant ordinances, and brutal violations of common sense. It doesn't take a reasonably bright boy long to discover that most of what is rammed into him is nonsense, and that no one cares very much whether he learns it or not. His parents, unless they are infantile in mind, tend to be bored with his lessons and labors, and are unable to conceal it from his sharp eyes...There should be more sympathy for school-children. The idea that they are happy is of a piece with the idea that the lobster in the pot is happy."

H.L Mencken, "The Baltimore Sun", 1928.


5 posted on 06/27/2006 4:43:57 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Aquinasfan; Dick Bachert; GSlob; Robert A. Cook, PE; after dark; mountn man; Tax-chick; ...

ping


6 posted on 06/27/2006 4:50:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Brett66

Ping


8 posted on 06/27/2006 4:56:06 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: agrace; bboop; cgk; Conservativehomeschoolmama; cyborg; cyclotic; dawn53; Diva Betsy Ross; ...
Homeschool Ping!
10 posted on 06/27/2006 5:03:54 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Education ping.


11 posted on 06/27/2006 5:24:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: Clintonfatigued

How many years did Gatto spend in the public schools before he figured this out?


18 posted on 06/27/2006 7:37:17 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I know I have posted this before on a homeschool thread but it is interesting. I honestly don't think I could do so well. I don't ever recall learning much of it in my school days.


This is worth reading!!

Could you have passed the 8th grade
...in 1895?




Remember when grandparents and great-grandparents stated that they only had an 8th grade education? Well, check this out. Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895? (LOOK CLOSELY... THAT'S EIGHTEEN NINETY FIVE!)

This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, Kansas, USA. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smokey Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, KS, and reprinted by the Salina Journal.

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> 8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, KS -1895



> Grammar (Time, one hour)
> 1. Give nine rules for the use of capital letters.
> 2. Name the parts of speech and define those that have no modifications.
> 3. Define verse, stanza and paragraph.
> 4. What are the principal parts of a verb? Give principal parts of "lie," "play,"' and "run."
> 5. Define case; Illustrate each case.
> 6. What is punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of punctuation.
> 7 - 10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.
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> Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)
> 1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
> 2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
> 3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50cts/bushel, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
> 4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
> 5. Find the cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
> 6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
> 7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per metre?
> 8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
> 9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance of which is 640 rods?
> 10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.
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> U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)
> 1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
> 2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
> 3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
> 4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
> 5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
> 6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
> 7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
> 8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.
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> Orthography (Time, one hour) (WHAT IS THIS ANYHOW?)
> 1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication
> 2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
> 3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals
> 4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.' (HUH?)
> 5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
> 6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
> 7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
> 8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
> 9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
> 10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.
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> Geography (Time, one hour)
> 1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
> 2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
> 3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
> 4. Describe the mountains of North America.
> 5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
> 6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
> 7. Name all the republics of Europeand give the capital of each.
> 8. Why is the AtlanticCoastcolder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
> 9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
> 10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.
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> Notice that the exam took SIX HOURS to complete. Gives the saying "he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?! Also shows you how poor our education system has become...


19 posted on 06/27/2006 8:26:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I read the whole thing. I was most troubled by the term Dangan. A Chinese term for a permanent record which follows a child from kindergarten through out his life. The writer tied Dangan with caste. I think he is onto something. Most people who do poorly in school have parents who did poorly in school. Those of us who are compassionate blame low expectations. Many other people point the finger at genetics saying "Those people have bad genes".If America is to continue to be prosperous we can not have a caste system. Laws must be passed protecting children from intrusive schools. Corporations(and others) must never get there blasted hands on school records of young kids. Beyond grades and test scores ,(which should only be used for college admissions children )should leave school a blank slate.It is stunning that children are in some ways being treated much worse than hardened criminals.
20 posted on 06/27/2006 9:33:11 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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