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To: Strategerist
Has anyone indicated that they were terrified by the word "random"? I just don't see how random processes can result in the complex life forms we see today.

I might even refer to Occam's Razor. Did the Life on Earth arise through billions of years of random mutation? Or did a transcendent God create it through supernatural means? The simple explanation seems more likely to me.

20 posted on 06/27/2006 5:43:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

People are obviously terrified by the idea that there's anything that happens that doesn't happen for a specific reason..or, at least, a reason that has something to do with humanity.

Creationists also abuse the term "random" - the idea that any process that isn't directed by some sort of intelligence is "random" is absolutely false.


People need to keep in mind that randomness is absolutely embedded in the fabric of the universe through quantum mechanics - and that's been experimentally proven.


27 posted on 06/27/2006 5:49:39 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ClearCase_guy
I might even refer to Occam's Razor. Did the Life on Earth arise through billions of years of random mutation? Or did a transcendent God create it through supernatural means? The simple explanation seems more likely to me.

Not a good application of OR.

By definition, a Creator is more complex than his Creation. God is not less complex than the universe.

82 posted on 06/27/2006 7:23:14 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: ClearCase_guy
The simple explanation seems more likely to me.

Well, then, you rule out the explanation that has a gaping hole in it ("Where did God come from?") and are left with the other (unless you can think of a third alternative).

148 posted on 06/27/2006 1:04:25 PM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Strategerist; Restorer; steve-b
I just don't see how random processes can result in the complex life forms we see today.

Of course you don't. Those of us who have actually studied these topics, however, have a good familiarity with the processes involved and don't have a problem seeing how they give rise to complexity.

I might even refer to Occam's Razor. Did the Life on Earth arise through billions of years of random mutation?

Yes, since (leaving aside your incredibly poor description of the actuall processes involved), that's what an overwhelming amount of evidence indicates actually happened.

Or did a transcendent God create it through supernatural means? The simple explanation seems more likely to me.

Then you should go with evolution, because it's a lot simpler than the "let's postulate an infinitely complex invisible being" explanation, which only makes things (infinitely) LESS simple...

214 posted on 06/27/2006 5:25:14 PM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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