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The Separation of Press and State
1440 KEYS AM Radio ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jenni Vinson Trejo

Posted on 06/24/2006 3:32:47 PM PDT by jennivinson

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To: jennivinson
Outstandingly magnificent essay.....
61 posted on 06/25/2006 5:44:18 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: jennivinson

Bad Link? This is what I got to your link.

Proxy Error

The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
The proxy server could not handle the request GET http://www.jvteditorials.com/.

Reason: DNS lookup failure for: www.jvteditorials.com

Additionally, a 500 Internal Server Error error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.0.50 (Gentoo/Linux) mod_perl/1.99_11 Perl/v5.8.4 Server at v1.prxy.klmz.mi.core.com Port 80


62 posted on 06/25/2006 6:21:20 AM PDT by sig229 (If you see a fork in the road, take it.)
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To: jennivinson

bttt


63 posted on 06/25/2006 6:38:01 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (The Rat Party's goal is to END the conflict, not WIN the conflict...should be the other way around.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I insist that our chief problem lies in convincing people that journalism vastly overhypes itself.

It's a problem that will never be solved........ because everyday electronic media (opinion forming media/advertising/news/entertainment) increases it's never-ending powerful incessant message..... and much of that message is that the media/journalism can be trusted. How convenient. ;-)

That chief problem of which you speak is not going anywhere any time soon!

64 posted on 06/25/2006 6:49:47 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: LS
This is true, but that still doesn't explain why, and how the major press became leftist.

Read Neal Gablers book...... "An Empire of Their Own : How the Jews Invented Hollywood".

You will see how much of what particular psychological and financial needs of some immigrants created the immense power of left media. It goes way back.

The media..... nearly all of it today in America......... is really basically an lefty/socialist oligarchy.

65 posted on 06/25/2006 6:55:00 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: fedupjohn; jennivinson
I will pass that along to Jen.

;-)

66 posted on 06/25/2006 6:56:36 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: beyond the sea
everyday electronic media (opinion forming media/advertising/news/entertainment) increases it's never-ending powerful incessant message..... and much of that message is that the media/journalism can be trusted. How convenient.
How very convenient, exactly . . . so convenient, in fact, that logically it is a fat target. The trick is to work on getting the most mileage out of venues in which logic might most easily be heard. Such as in a courtroom, in some cases.

Not, unfortunately, that judges are immune to the flattery and derision of journalism . . .

But one such venue is FR. Where you find logic least availing is where "production values" are most significant - the movies, followed by TV and then by radio. Rush Limbaugh is such a gem because he synthesizes his own brand of production value, in the cause of conservation of the Constitution.

That chief problem of which you speak is not going anywhere any time soon!
. . . as who can doubt? The point must be to impart to journalism at least a hint of disrepute that the genre deserves.

67 posted on 06/25/2006 7:01:25 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas; jennivinson
[[ for accounts of such early "dirty tricks" as Thomas Jefferson's involvement in an attempted "cover-up" when a scheme to manipulate newspaper coverage of Alexander Hamilton was exposed. ]]

I see.. so you're saying jennivinson is wrong....
and the the American MsM is NOT skirting sedition and political espionage?.. EH!...

68 posted on 06/25/2006 7:11:59 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: beyond the sea

"Marxists are here, early on they figured out that they who control opinion-making WIN. They must be purged..........."



You are absolutely correct.


Current communist goals from the 1963 Congressional Record:

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.



Also, feel free to use the term ENEMEDIA. It is time we took our language back as well.


69 posted on 06/25/2006 7:40:00 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I insist that our chief problem lies in convincing people that journalism vastly overhypes itself. Which is hardly something which should be surprising, when you think about it that way . . .

Yes, journalism is no longer a commitment, it's a product. I had an e-mail exchange for a few days with an editor from my daily paper. There was a Weds/Thurs period in 2002, I think, where Greenspan gave a state of the economy presentation for the House, then the Senate. The theme of the AP reporting for the first appearance (seen online) was that deficits were not good, therefore W should forget his tax cuts. You didn't get that message from the transcript.

This AP release made the Thurs paper. During Greenspan's Thursday appearance, he was asked specifically about this issue. He said no, that he supported tax cuts and that if deficits became an issue he would recommend spending cuts. Greenspan was very clear. I saw the AP release online Thurs after his testimony. This directly contradicted the prior day's reporting.

It didn't appear in Friday's paper...I e-mailed and asked why. An editor responded that they didn't have room. I replied that the reporting in sum left not only an inaccurate but a misleading message. He dodged that issue on his reply.

If you see the advertising that newspapers and TV newscasts offer you conclude they set the bar pretty high. They overpromise and underdeliver. The definition of a lie?

lie 2 (l)
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
v. lied, ly·ing (lng), lies
v.intr.
1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression: Appearances often lie.

70 posted on 06/25/2006 7:40:40 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: beyond the sea
I say let 'em scream.

Not when their screaming is killing our troops! It is time to SHUT THEM UP!

71 posted on 06/25/2006 7:41:19 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: sig229

The link was good, maybe a server problem.


72 posted on 06/25/2006 7:42:32 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: jennivinson

Marking. Excellent title.


73 posted on 06/25/2006 7:47:39 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conservative Diva)
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74 posted on 06/25/2006 8:18:44 AM PDT by federal
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Just A Nobody
The point must be to impart to journalism at least a hint of disrepute that the genre deserves.

I'm all for that.

;-)

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Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the press, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse.

-Mark Twain

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75 posted on 06/25/2006 8:37:40 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: Just A Nobody
I say let 'em scream. ........... Not when their screaming is killing our troops! It is time to SHUT THEM UP!

You may have missed the point there.

I was suggesting that they (the lefty anti-American propagandists would be screaming as they were being indicted and otherwise being dealt with in a severe way.

76 posted on 06/25/2006 8:40:57 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: beyond the sea
The REAL question is, what happened to conservative media? And of course, why? And how..........

Look back to whom was given the three television network licenses back when they were "offered".

In the interests of time, I would solicit you assistance with that since you already seem to know the answer(s). Be that as it may, are you suggesting there was a conspiracy of sorts in the transactions?

Marxists are here, early on they figured out that they who control opinion-making WIN.

Agreed for the most part; at least in the short term. Long term, I don't know. That said however, the Goebbelists have been hard at work for decades(most of the 20th century even???) flailing away at the foundation blocks of our republic. To what end? I wonder whether socialism/communism is the ultimate goal, or that it may simply boil down to control freaks operating on a grand scale. End result the same, but driven by different motives?

The desire to control, through power, however derived, is an evil in and of itself, no? In an effort to apply the KISS principle, to me it would appear to be the age old war between good and evil. That is, tyrants vs freemen. Still in all, it doesn't answer the underlying question that I have, that is, HOW were they able to pull it off.

They must be purged........... start with the New York Times, The Compost, and Time magazine.

Not so fast, although I don't disagree with your sentiments. The "purge" could happen just as easily with a press that supports "traditional" values. The tide appears to be turning if the financial problems most of the major dailies are having is any indicator. Maybe the networks will follow? I don't know if anyone has a real handle on just why it's happening, but it is. Our mission, if we choose to accept it(cue the MI theme), is to continue spreading the word about the traitors and seditionists presently occupying the fourth estate. Also, press our congresscritters for a constitutional solution. We the people after all, if we choose to engage, are still(more or less) the sovereign rulers of our country. THAT needs to be said loud and often!

FGS

77 posted on 06/25/2006 9:41:51 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: CGVet58
Virtuous government flows from a virtuous people; journalism has nothing to do with it.

Eh? If propaganda is such a useless tool, why is it even used? The constant barrage of things untoward from our Ministry of Truth is not an accident, and it has an effect.

If you believe the Bible as I do, it tells us virtuous people do not occur naturally. Man's inclination is towards evil. So given a little push in that direction by the influence peddlers and, voila. The media, along with all the other agencies of the evil empire are doing their level best to boot all things God out of our country. Wonder why? The moral foundation necessary for a virtuous people to prosper has got to be destroyed. Is it working? You bet. Can it be stopped?

FGS

78 posted on 06/25/2006 9:57:43 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
. . . as who can doubt? The point must be to impart to journalism at least a hint of disrepute that the genre deserves.

Indeed. Sowing the seeds of doubt far and wide re the media is about the best we can hope for.

79 posted on 06/25/2006 10:00:16 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Still in all, it doesn't answer the underlying question that I have, that is, HOW were they able to pull it off.

See post # 65. Read that book. That is a long and good book. It explains a lot. Most of the Marxists who have great control and influence in our schools, universities, news departments and magazines, the entertainment business, and much of advertising are from Russia around the turn of the century (1900).

And yes, that author is the same weaselly Neal Gabler who is on FoxNews on Sunday morning.

;-)

80 posted on 06/25/2006 10:41:03 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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