Well thanks for that link. And that nice drawing is about as strong as it all gets as for evo. It carries approx 3x the weight of any CG posting, IOW 3x0=0. A tragedy of some mens works it is.
CG, are you balrog and shuckmaster the same guy??
Wolf
Posted on 06/22/2006 1:28:41 PM PDT by Tim Long
How is it that you know so much about ERVs without the help of 'science' (yours or someone else's)? Also, what is it about ID that instills such credulity in you?
ml1954: So where's the evidence the universe is 6000 years or so old?
GourmetDan: Actually, there is no evidence that the universe is not 6,000 years old
ml1954:What a strange world world you live in.
GourmetDan: See, I knew you had no evidence.
I think this exchange speaks for itself.
"I think this exchange speaks for itself."
Only because you are using abstract thought. How metaphysical of you.
Only because you are using abstract thought. How metaphysical of you.
I'm so metaphysical I think OJ is guilty.
nonexistent placemarker
There isn't just one ERV. There are thousands of them, in humans. Your infection-to-fixation-to-presrvation scenario must be played out thousands of times to produce the pattern you see. Not possible.
And you can't say that your data 'exactly matches the phylogenetic tree'. The 'tree' doesn't exist. The 'forks' are all imaginary and all of the bushy leaves haven't been sequenced.
You are way over-extended.
You are confused. Belief in creation is based on incredulity. There's nothing wrong w/ that. Like most evos, Dawkins thought it was cute without thinking through to it's logical end; that evolution was then based upon credulity.
It is credulity that is the problem and that is a requirement for evolution.
And evidently you don't understand that I got no problem with science. It's metaphysics masquerading as science that I have a problem with.
You can't tell the difference.
I can.
Maybe you got confused by the double-negative.
Stated positively, that would be that there is no evidence that the universe is more than 6,000 years old. There are only interpretations of evidence that claim that the universe is more than 6,000 years old.
You can present your evidence (if you think there is any) and I will teach you the difference between evidence and interpretation of evidence.
Maybe you got confused by the double-negative.
Nope. Maybe my original question confused you.
I will teach you..
There's nothing you can teach me. I already know all about your strange wacko world. And this 'conversation' is boring, so adios.
Once every 5,000 years for 5,000,000 years is 1,000 infections getting fixed in the genome. Not obviously impossible. What's "preservation"?
And you can't say that your data 'exactly matches the phylogenetic tree'. The 'tree' doesn't exist.
Huh?
The 'forks' are all imaginary and all of the bushy leaves haven't been sequenced.
OK, I should have said that the tree of presence/absence of genetic markers is always a subtree of the already-known phylogenetic tree.
But the trees produced by the different genetic markers are always consistent with each other and with the phylogenetic tree.
Always? Depends on your definition of 'consistent', I'm sure. Quite a move away from 'exactly matches the phylogenetic tree' already. I'm sure we will find out once we see just how 'consistent' they are.
Preservation is preservation across all speciation events since the mythical infection-to-fixation event. No losses at all? Ever? Exact matches?
And there are 'thousands' of human ERV's, not 1 thousand. Those are tremendous substitution costs for random, inactive retroviral infections.
Credulity. Simple credulity.
I knew you had nothing but ridicule.
Better get while the gettin's good.
You have nothing.
I said there was nothing.
You have nothing.
That's the point.
Whatever. Adios. And you can have the last word in this non-conversation.
I think YOU are the one who is confused. Do you believe that the Earth is the center of the universe? Why or why not? How about the cause of disease? Germs or evil spirits? Can you give me one evidence-based (or interpretation-of-evidence-based) belief that you have?
What on earth are you talking about?
Bye troll. Go bother someone who cares.
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