More scientists express doubts on Darwin

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 22, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

[Tim Long]

600 dissenters sign on challenging claims about support for theory

More than 600 scientists holding doctoral degrees have gone on the record expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution and calling for critical examination of the evidence cited in its support.

All are signatories to the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement, which reads: "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first published by the Seattle-based Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.

The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true."

The list of 610 signatories includes scientists from National Academies of Science in Russia, Czech Republic, Hungary, India (Hindustan), Nigeria, Poland, Russia and the United States. Many of the signers are professors or researchers at major universities and international research institutions such as Cambridge University, British Museum of Natural History, Moscow State University, Masaryk University in Czech Republic, Hong Kong University, University of Turku in Finland, Autonomous University of Guadalajara in Mexico, University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, Institut de Paleontologie Humaine in France, Chitose Institute of Science & Technology in Japan, Ben-Gurion University in Israel, MIT, The Smithsonian and Princeton.

"Dissent from Darwinism has gone global," said Discovery Institute President Bruce Chapman. "Darwinists used to claim that virtually every scientist in the world held that Darwinian evolution was true, but we quickly started finding U.S. scientists that disproved that statement. Now we're finding that there are hundreds, and probably thousands, of scientists all over the world that don't subscribe to Darwin's theory."

The Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.

"I signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement because I am absolutely convinced of the lack of true scientific evidence in favor of Darwinian dogma," said Raul Leguizamon, M.D., pathologist and professor of medicine at the Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexico.

"Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Darwinism at all," he added. "Darwinism is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as a philosopher, since it is primarily a worldview. And an awful one, as Bernard Shaw used to say."

[b_sharp]

"Too bad you fail to see this as a sign that we are winning. Of course, many Democrats failed to see faith as a winning block of voters in 2004; e.g., a winning block of Conservative SCOTUS judges that will vote to overturn the bigotry against Creation being taught along side Evolution in our schools.

You seem to like making unfounded and illogical jumps in your conclusions. The list of names on Di's list may be growing but it is still much smaller than the number of scientists represented by the list of 'Steves' (a list of scientists named 'Steve' who support evolution). Currently the 'list of steves' represents 68,800 scientists. (Steves make up about 1% of Americans. As of Dec. 2005 688 Steves have signed the list)

What bigotry?

[b_sharp]

"How many times, say, just in the past 100 years, has the age of the earth changed? How many times has the age of the planet, during this 100 years, grown and shrunk?"

What is your point?

Each change has been based on more accurate measurements. The age is not being changed arbitrarily.

In any case, no age of the Earth or the Universe given in the last hundred years is anywhere near the 6000-10000 years your belief system requires.

[editor-surveyor]

Cut the strawman, post the real comment if you're going to reply.

[Coyoteman]

As we were discussing several threads ago, I see no evidence for the global flood. I have just posted some comments, upthread, which may serve to expand our discussion.

See #634.

[ahayes]

List of prayer requests to submit on Sunday:

Please pray that I succeed in:

1. Robbing the local bank.
2. Forging my letter of recommendation.
3. Seducing the mailman.

Thank you!

[ahayes]

Most people who believe life begins at conception are opposed to IVF because typically more embryos are fertilized than are implanted. The ones that are not implanted are destroyed, frozen long term, or on occasion used for embryonic stem cell research. For someone who is pro-life having embryos frozen forever should be a little disturbing, but the other two alternatives should be considered murder if that person is consistent.

This is not including the Christians who are opposed to this type of treatment because they think that any medical interference to either prevent or induce pregnancy is displaying a lack of faith by failure to rely on God.

[Elsie]

Of course, I don't think it's helpful to tell anyone you think they're going to Hell.

 

 

 

It appears that Jesus disagrees.  These sure look like warnings to me!

 

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NIV Matthew 23:33
   "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

 

NIV Mark 9:43-48
 43.  If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
 45.  And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
 47.  And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,
 48.  where "`their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.'

 

NIV Luke 12:5
 5.  But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing othe body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

 

NIV Luke 16:19-31
 19.  "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.
 20.  At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores
 21.  and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
 22.  "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
 23.  In hell,  where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
 24.  So he called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
 25.  "But Abraham replied, `Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
 26.  And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
 27.  "He answered, `Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house,
 28.  for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
 29.  "Abraham replied, `They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
 30.  "`No, father Abraham,' he said, `but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
 31.  "He said to him, `If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

[Elsie]

Most of the people signing do not have degrees in biology.

And they may not

'...know much about History...'

either.

[Elsie]

You may want to re-think your tagline...

[Elsie]

But I may be mistaken in my assumption that fundamental Christians consider IV-embryo transfer a sin.

 

Does it really matter?

 

For Jesus can forgive it.

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Matthew 12:31

 

  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

[Elsie]

But speak about Jesus, be gentle, and calm, and wise, and then perhaps someone may listen, who may not have wished to listen before..

Amen!

(But sometimes you need to get their attention ;^)

[Elsie]

I envy your work! (I know; shouldn't do that - kinda like coveting)

As a mid-westerner (why isn't it mid-easterner?), I'd trade steamy Indiana summers for dry Utah ones, but my better half wouldn't be a happy camper.

Oh well, I can take trips often enough....

[Elsie]

AARRGhH!

You got 666!

[Elsie]

Actually, you are not far wrong in your list of things to pray for.

Many Christians are misguided as hell in some matters!

[celmak]

Of course not, but I have a life. You've made a lot of points and I will take up the 1st one at lunch today. I'm a Working family man, I squeeze in what extra time I have to debate this. See you at noon bandito!

[OmahaFields]

Does it really matter?

It was only being considered in the context of the, then current, argument where the other poster had posted a "study" that used IV-embryo transfer patients.

[brytlea]

I'll leave that to Jesus then. And, perhaps you, if you think that works for you.
susie

[Realism]

Cut the strawman, post the real comment if you're going to reply.

A shinning example of how physical evidence is refuted by those who do not have an open mind concerning the subject. You are only here to convince others to agree, those who don't agree are simply far below your level of intellect. Another debate you likely should avoid.

[andysandmikesmom]

Brytlea, I agree with you...I will leave it to Jesus...

And Elsie, yes, one may need to get anothers attention...and there are ways to get ones attention, other than bashing them over the head, and condemning them...bashing and condemning are poor, lazy ways of introducing one to Jesus...and I will leave those ways to the lazy ones...ones who truly want to talk to others about Jesus, for the sake of that persons salvation, and not in a vain attempt to puff themselves up, will gain anothers attention in a fine way, not in an evil way...

[Elsie]

I'll leave that to Jesus then. And, perhaps you, if you think that works for you.

 

Alrighty then....

NIV Matthew 28:19-20
 19.  Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in  the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 20.  and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

 

 

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:16
   "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

 

NIV 1 Corinthians 11:1
   Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.

 

NIV 1 Peter 4:11
   If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

 

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If someone says, "God told me to say this or that"; he gets ridiculed.

 

If they POST His WORD from the Bible, they get brushed off as irrelevant.

 

What's a poor, old evangelist to do???