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More scientists express doubts on Darwin
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | June 22, 2006 1:00 a.m. Eastern

Posted on 06/22/2006 1:28:41 PM PDT by Tim Long

600 dissenters sign on challenging claims about support for theory

More than 600 scientists holding doctoral degrees have gone on the record expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution and calling for critical examination of the evidence cited in its support.

All are signatories to the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement, which reads: "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first published by the Seattle-based Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.

The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true."

The list of 610 signatories includes scientists from National Academies of Science in Russia, Czech Republic, Hungary, India (Hindustan), Nigeria, Poland, Russia and the United States. Many of the signers are professors or researchers at major universities and international research institutions such as Cambridge University, British Museum of Natural History, Moscow State University, Masaryk University in Czech Republic, Hong Kong University, University of Turku in Finland, Autonomous University of Guadalajara in Mexico, University of Stellenbosch in South Africa, Institut de Paleontologie Humaine in France, Chitose Institute of Science & Technology in Japan, Ben-Gurion University in Israel, MIT, The Smithsonian and Princeton.

"Dissent from Darwinism has gone global," said Discovery Institute President Bruce Chapman. "Darwinists used to claim that virtually every scientist in the world held that Darwinian evolution was true, but we quickly started finding U.S. scientists that disproved that statement. Now we're finding that there are hundreds, and probably thousands, of scientists all over the world that don't subscribe to Darwin's theory."

The Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.

"I signed the Scientific Dissent From Darwinism statement because I am absolutely convinced of the lack of true scientific evidence in favor of Darwinian dogma," said Raul Leguizamon, M.D., pathologist and professor of medicine at the Autonomous University of Guadalajara, Mexico.

"Nobody in the biological sciences, medicine included, needs Darwinism at all," he added. "Darwinism is certainly needed, however, in order to pose as a philosopher, since it is primarily a worldview. And an awful one, as Bernard Shaw used to say."


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To: Realism; Tim Long
"Teach creation in church where it belongs and evolution in science Philosophy class where it belongs."

There is no evidence put forth in support of evolution that fails to support creation better. Keep the athiestic philosophy out of the classroom, and off of the federal dole.

561 posted on 06/27/2006 9:06:57 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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No atheists allowed placemarker
562 posted on 06/27/2006 9:19:29 AM PDT by b_sharp (There is always one more mess to clean up.)
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To: brytlea
Sorry. I backslid a little. I didn't call you a creo but it could be interpreted to imply that. Perhaps I got caught up in the moment where in the previous post you made a statement that inferred something on me for which you had no basis. He who hath no sin ... well, I think you get the idea. Do unto others ... etc.

But you seem to have a BIG problem with people having faith. I wonder why that is?

563 posted on 06/27/2006 9:26:53 AM PDT by OmahaFields
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(repost for clarity)

Sorry. I backslid a little. I didn't call you a creo but it could be interpreted to imply that. Perhaps I got caught up in the moment where in the previous post (see below) you made a statement that inferred something on me for which you had no basis. He who hath no sin ... well, I think you get the idea. Do unto others ... etc.

But you seem to have a BIG problem with people having faith. I wonder why that is?

564 posted on 06/27/2006 9:28:50 AM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: editor-surveyor
There is no evidence put forth in support of evolution

No proof of human evolution? We should all be the same then, right? Why aren't we? Genetic transformation (evolution)is taking place with each generation. The human race is changing before our very eyes, and you can't change our reality by not acknowledging the facts before you.

565 posted on 06/27/2006 9:42:02 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: ahayes
For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

What Christian hypocrites miss is the fact that good works are the fruits of faith. Those that are truely reborn have a desire in their hearts to do good works, and good works are the embodiment of faith. Works are faith; there is no divide.

566 posted on 06/27/2006 10:08:49 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Doctor Stochastic
None will dare criticize someone for saying it.

It apears you are wrong.


Shame on whomever said this!

Do you NOT know what God has said in His scriptures?



NIV Job 31:29-35
 29.  "If I have rejoiced at my enemy's misfortune or gloated over the trouble that came to him--
 30.  I have not allowed my mouth to sin by invoking a curse against his life--
 31.  if the men of my household have never said, `Who has not had his fill of Job's meat?'--
 32.  but no stranger had to spend the night in the street, for my door was always open to the traveler--
 33.  if I have concealed my sin as men do, by hiding my guilt in my heart
 34.  because I so feared the crowd and so dreaded the contempt of the clans that I kept silent and would not go outside
 35.  ("Oh, that I had someone to hear me! I sign now my defense--let the Almighty answer me; let my accuser put his indictment in writing.
 

NIV Proverbs 17:5
   He who mocks the poor shows contempt for their Maker; whoever gloats over disaster will not go unpunished.
 

NIV Proverbs 24:17-18
 17.  Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice,
 18.  or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from him.
 

NIV Obadiah 1:12
   You should not look down on your brother in the day of his misfortune, nor rejoice over the people of Judah in the day of their destruction, nor boast so much in the day of their trouble.

567 posted on 06/27/2006 10:28:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: B-Chan
First off, no one knows what "gopher wood" was...


KJV Genesis 6:14
 14.  Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
 
ASV Genesis 6:14
 14.  Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
 
ROM Genesis 6:14
   `aseeh lkaa teebat `atseey-goper qiniym ta`aseh 'et-hateebaah wkaapartaa 'otaah mibayit uumixuuts bakoper.
 
(Maybe a phonetic spelling??)
 

[From Easton's Bible Dictionary]
Topics: Go'pher
 
Text:  a tree from the wood of which Noah was directed to build the ark (Gen. 6:14). It is mentioned only there. The LXX. render this word by "squared beams," and the Vulgate by "planed wood." Other versions have rendered it "pine" and "cedar;" but the weight of authority is in favour of understanding by it the cypress tree, which grows abundantly in Chaldea and Armenia.
 
 
NIV Genesis 6:14
 14.  So make yourself an ark of cypress  wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out.
 
 
LIT Genesis 6:14
  |6213| Make |0000| for yourself |8392| a ship of |6086| cypress |7613| timbers. |7064| compartments |6213| You must make |0854| in the |8392| ship. |3722| And you must cover |0853| it |1004| inside |2351| and out |3724| with tar.

568 posted on 06/27/2006 10:40:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior

So true....


569 posted on 06/27/2006 10:42:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Ah, your tricky tagline...my belief is that there are way too many folks out there, who claim, that others are going to Hell, all the while, ignoring their own state in relation to God...its all too easy to claim others are going to Hell, when they disagree with your personal beliefs...

The one screaming about others going to Hell(and having a fine old time doing it, laughing all the while), may find themselves in a sticky situation when the time comes..we may all find ourselves in a sticky situation when the time comes...its Gods choice, not mine, not yours, not anyone elses...people ought to worry about their own salvation...but too often, they dont, because they are way too busy nosing around, pointing out others sins...

Its better to worry about ones own soul, instead of being on God patrol all the time, thinking that they actually know who will go where...


570 posted on 06/27/2006 10:43:11 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Realism
The human race is changing before our very eyes...

Must be scary, looking in the maternity room window, and not knowing what you are going to get!

571 posted on 06/27/2006 10:44:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Thank you for pointing out the Scriptures, where gloating over someone elses misfortunes is talked about...I think of all the verses you have presented, those are among the most valuable for this thread...I am going to keep those for further use...thanks again...


572 posted on 06/27/2006 10:46:54 AM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Elsie

A bible thumper and a comedian.


573 posted on 06/27/2006 10:52:13 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Elsie

Like I said... no one knows what it really was.


574 posted on 06/27/2006 11:02:14 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: DannyTN

Is a hypercane just a high-speed hurricane? I don't really see how that relates to the canopy theory.


575 posted on 06/27/2006 11:11:57 AM PDT by Tim Long (I spit in the face of people who don't want to be cool.)
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To: OmahaFields

OK, now I'm confused about what you're trying to say. Are you doing that on purpose? ;)
susie


576 posted on 06/27/2006 11:15:36 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Actually, I worry more about the souls of others, because (unless of course I'm wrong, and by the time I know it, it will be too late to fix it!) I know the state of my own soul. I can only hope for others. Of course, I don't think it's helpful to tell anyone you think they're going to Hell. There's nothing I can do to save anyone, so my commission is to share the Gospel, pray for others, and be a witness with my life (which I sorely fall down on every single day).
susie


577 posted on 06/27/2006 11:19:48 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Junior
"The creationists and other anti-science types have to keep hope alive somehow, even if it's all based on a pack of lies."

Um, I would like to say that Creationism is not at all unscientific. Many advances in science can be credited to Christians, simply because they believed that the common rules/laws of nature would reflect God's designs... in other words, they expected science to be fully provable and practical. For example, early genetics (as a formal study, applied genetics, ie husbandry, was around a long time before that) was done by a monk by the name of Gregor Mendel on peas (and bees, IIRC). Also, many of our own prestigious schools started out as seminaries.

I don't know what bilge you've been fed, but Religion and Science are not, by nature, mutually exclusive schools of thought.

578 posted on 06/27/2006 11:28:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: brytlea
Actually, I worry more about the souls of others, because (unless of course I'm wrong, and by the time I know it, it will be too late to fix it!) I know the state of my own soul. I can only hope for others. Of course, I don't think it's helpful to tell anyone you think they're going to Hell. There's nothing I can do to save anyone, so my commission is to share the Gospel Fine. Just keep it out of the science class and our government., pray for others Isn't this sort of like trying to impose your will on others against their will? Perhaps y'all should set up a national "do not pray for" database where we could log in and take our names off your list., and be a witness with my life I wish the 'religious' would uphold some sort of moral code on this forum.(which I sorely fall down on every single day). susie
579 posted on 06/27/2006 11:34:22 AM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: OneWingedShark
Um, I would like to say that Creationism is not at all unscientific. Many advances in science can be credited to Christians,

But no advances in Creationism (ID) can be credited to scientists.

580 posted on 06/27/2006 11:35:57 AM PDT by OmahaFields
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