Iraqi Document: Highly Radioactive Atomic Neutron Device (Translation)

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[jveritas]

Document CMPC-2003-000537 is a secret and personal memo written in November 1999 by the director of the Iraqi National Monitoring Department (NMD) and addressed to the Minister of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (MIC). The memo talks about a Neutron Source Device with High Radioactive Activity that was found in one Iraqi University and the NMD is asking that it should be returned to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization. The Neutron Source Device can be also called Neutron Generator or Neutron Initiator. This Neutron Generator device was not declared to the UN inspectors all the time they were in Iraq from 1991 to late 1998 when they were kicked out of Iraq. In fact Neutron generators were prohibited to be used by the Iraqis according to this UN document ( http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/S-2002-515.pdf page 133 of this UN document pdf, an * next to an item means it is porhibited).

Beginning of the Translation of page 1 and 2 of document CMPC-2003-000537

In the Name of God the Most Compassionate The Most Merciful

The Republic of Iraq

The Presidency of the Republic

The Military Industrialization Commission

The National Monitoring Department

Number 12/M/3/94

Date 18/11/1999

Secret and Personal

The Respected Minister of Military Industrialization

Subject: Neutron Source

The University of Al Mustansirya/Science Faculty informed us in its letter No. 2369 on 24/10/1999 of the existence of a Neutron Source (Am-Be) in one of its laboratories and was previously brought by Dr. Midhat Al Zubaidi one of the ex-researchers (currently retired) of Firnas Center and we did the following:

1. Send a team from the department to investigate this Source where it was revealed it a Source (P-Be) with a high radiation activity (Aciory) brought in the year 1996.

2. A meeting was held in our department on Sunday 14/11/1999 with all the people concerned from the Atomic Energy Agency and the Firnas company and the Science Faculty/Al Mustansirya University and the following was revealed:

A. The Atomic Energy Organization clarified that this Source was not documented in their archives because it was previously shrouded by secrecy and it was delivered to Dr. Midhat Al Zubaidi at the end of year 1989.

B. Dr. Midhat clarified that he received the Source from the Organization in 1993 during the period where the equipment from the previous program were returned to the Al Tuwaitha site and he transferred to the Engineering Faculty/Baghdad University and then it was returned to its current location in Al Mustansirya University in the year 1996.

3. Dr. Khaled Ibrahim Said clarified that it is possible that this Source can be used by the Fourth Group where Dr. Midhat Al Zubaidi was one of its members in the year 1989 and for the purpose of doing some experimentations.

4. Information about this Source was previously requested by the Agency because it was imported to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization under the name of Al Basra University. And the Organization sent a team to Al Basra University to investigate or try to find it without any results.

In light of these infractions we suggest the return of the Source to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Organization and including and declaring it among the Radioactive Sources that it possesses.

With regards… Sir

General Engineer

Hussam Ahmad Amin

18/11/1999

End of the Translation.

I also found in my reading of document ISGQ-2003-00000813.pdf which is a 2002 document that the Iraqi were working to produce TANTALUM COATED GRAPHITE as part of research activities for the year 2002. This very special coating of Graphite with Tantalum to create a highly corrosion resistant surface for graphite. The document by itself does not say what is the use for this but for sure one of the few applications is that this Tantalum coated graphite can be used with the highly corrosive UF6 or Uranium Hexafluoride which is the basic component for ENRICHED URANIUM. In fact A Tantalum coated Graphite was totally prohibited for use in Iraq since it falls under the prohibited nuclear activities per this UN document ( http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/S-2002-515.pdf pages 84 and 133 of this UN document pdf, an * next to an item means it is prohibited).

[Calpernia]

>>>>hasn't David Kay been completely off the radar since his report?

and/or since the release of the PreWarDocs.

Wonder if that is significant also.

[jazusamo]

Yesterday, Chris Wallace asked Tony Snow if he knew about the new information on WMD's in Iraq; Tony said he didn't.

Yes, I saw it too and something seemed a little strange when Tony answered. Maybe I'm wrong but it was like Tony didn't want to talk about it for some reason.

[jveritas]

That is interesting. May be there is some new information about WMD that is being leaked to the media but the administration is not willing to talk about it at the moment.

[jveritas]

Was there any follow up question to Tony Snow on this subject or that was it?

[jazusamo]

No, it was just dropped, but it was just the way it seemed to me, like strange.

[jazusamo]

That is interesting. May be there is some new information about WMD that is being leaked to the media but the administration is not willing to talk about it at the moment.

That's kind of what it seemed like to me.

[HangnJudge]

The P in the P-Be source designation is for proton - Beryllium, not phosphorous, I think. My memory is a little cloudy for this stuff in that my training was > 25 yrs ago...

[Capn TrVth]

"Treasure troves of evidence" ping...

Heheehe...

[gondramB]

>>They will not be interested because these fact contradicts all the lies they have been spewing for the last 3 years against the Iraq war and President Bush.<<

I dont see how this contradicts anything. This isn't a wreapon or even anything you could make a weapon out of.

[jveritas]

This device was not allowed to be used by the Iraqis, it was a prohibited item as per the UN document I attached in the thread. Also the Tantalum Coated Graphite is even more of problem because it was very clear on page 84 and 133 that a combination of Tantalum and Graphite (mixture thereof) was totally prohibited because this was listed under the prohibited nuclear activities since it is mainly used to resist the highly corrosive Uranium HexaFluoride (UF6) which is the main ingredient for Enriched Uranium.

[SE Mom]

John Fund, Rush Limbaugh, Chris Wallace...hmmm

When Rush mentioned this he finished up with a very positive hint of things to come ..

From hearing him it seemed he wasn't only referring to Fund's article..

[txhurl]

Wow.

[shield]

Thanks.

[gondramB]

>>This device was not allowed to be used by the Iraqis, it was a prohibited item as per the UN document I attached in the thread. Also the Tantalum Coated Graphite is even more of problem because it was very clear on page 84 and 133 that a combination of Tantalum and Graphite (mixture thereof) was totally prohibited because this was listed under the prohibited nuclear activities since it is mainly used to resist the highly corrosive Uranium HexaFluoride (UF6) which is the main ingredient for Enriched Uranium.<<

It was a banned device. It was a test insturment that is used to either calibrate radiation measurements or irradiate small items. In a U.S. lab it would, for example, used to calibrate new sets of radiation badges the emplyees and visitors have to wear. Some of the componants of the device were also banned. The device is would be useful for someone working illegimately with nuclear research.

That is not sufficient to effect the justifcation for invasion one way or the other. Its news but its not big news.

[jveritas]

That is one of many things about Iraq hidden WMD, or WMD research and programs. I did not say that we found the smoking gun here; however it is one of many things these documents have shown so far regarding WMD and its programs and many more to come in the future.

[gondramB]

>>That is one of many things about Iraq hidden WMD, or WMD research and programs. I did not say that we found the smoking gun here; however it is one of many things these documents have shown so far regarding WMD and its programs and many more to come in the future.<<

I think its clear that Saddam wanted nukes and made some efforts in spite of the ban. But there were not substantial WMDs in the country on the day of the invasion and thus it will be difficult to change public opinion even with 100 discoveries of test equipment and paperwork.

I think we'd be better not trying to debate the invasion but instead should focus on the successes there, the humanitarian abuses of Saddam and obligation we have to finish the job we started. That's the only way the public will support the war again.

[jveritas]

The Public Support, as in general population of adults means absolutely nothing on how we conduct this war. President Bush is going to fight this war even if he is the only person left to support it. As long as we have a Commander in Chief willing to fight this war, as long a our brave troops are fighting this war, as long as we keep our control of Congress, the finance of the war will keep going on, and thus we will keep fighting until we achieve the ultimate victory against the war on terror. Even if the democrats win by any chance a control of one chamber of Congress they will not have enough vote to stop the finance of war. So form practical point of view this General Public Opinion is meaningless. Please accustom yourself to 40% of or so of "adults" supporting the war (which is a slim majority of "real voters") and 60% of "adults" not supporting it (which is a minority of "real voters"). I hope you are one of the 40%.

[jveritas]

Also Ignore the polls, because those who live by the polls will die by the polls. If you want a proof look at the democrats.

[theDentist]

Yead, but they don't have anything with the letters "WMD" on it. /sarc

[Robert A Cook PE]

Telling information. thank you.

A second factor we often dismiss is that "intelligence" - even if it IS based on incepted documents or email or physical reports we've found and copied before the war are ONLY as good as the person who wrote them, or who spoke the words that were heard by satellite.

If he (the originator) was lying to Saddamn, or exaggerating and emphasizing "HIS" weapons to Saddamn to say out of trouble or to avoid getting shot be reporting bad news, then ALL of our intelligence will predict weapons and masses and numbers that will make the Iraqi army look better.

So, if they were lying to Saddam, how can WE outside spy agencies, get the real information? Ignore the physical documents and reports and try to infiltrate unknown weapons sites to prove the documents are false?