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To: SittinYonder

Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?


5 posted on 06/18/2006 9:30:39 AM PDT by Joe Bfstplk (I am going to be assertive...If that is OK with you.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

Because Singapore does it right. The only way we will win the war on drugs is if we make the punishment so harsh that no one will choose to use drugs.

I have long said that the only way we will win the war on drugs is if we impose the death penalty for possession. Others have suggested it is unreasonable and harsh, and maybe it is, but you can't win a war without piling up some bodies.

9 posted on 06/18/2006 9:33:41 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan,)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Because Singapore is very small, and is willing to sacrifice almost all freedoms we and the British hold dear for the sake of social order.

Stopping people from ruining their lives by screwing up their brain chemistry isn't worth the cost of living in a police state.


10 posted on 06/18/2006 9:34:42 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Because Singapore already is the kind of police state that is utterly necessary to carry out such a policy effectively.


14 posted on 06/18/2006 9:39:02 AM PDT by thoughtomator (A thread without a comment on immigration is not complete)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

Everything you think you know about Singapore is wrong. Illegal drugs are cheap and plentiful in Singapore. Killing drug users has not worked in Singapore, Indonesia, China or North Korea. You want to try here?
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45 posted on 06/18/2006 10:16:25 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk; SittinYonder
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

"The GOS [Government of Singapore] nonetheless is concerned about the increase in addiction rates and recidivism among drug offenders who have undergone treatment. There are currently about 9,000 addicts undergoing rehabilitation in Singapore treatment centers, the same number as in 1995."

--http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1996_narc_report/index.html

The Netherlands-- "Demand Reduction. The Netherlands has extensive demand reduction programs and low­threshold medical services for addicts, who are also offered drug rehabilitation programs. Authorities believe such programs reach about 70­80 percent of the country's 25,000 hard­drug users. [my note: in a total population of 15.1 million]

--http://www.state.gov/www/global/narcotics_law/1996_narc_report/index.html

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Using a population of 3 million for Singapore in 1996, that works out to an addiction rate of about 0.30%. Using the State Dept. figures for the Netherlands, and a population of 15.1 million, the addiction rate was about 0.17%.

Also note that the Singapore figure only takes into account the addicts under treatment, whereas the figure for Holland is the estimate of the total number of addicts.

64 posted on 06/18/2006 10:51:45 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

Singapore is not a free society.

In a free society such as ours, you cannot prevent the people from doing what they want with their own lives.

109 posted on 06/18/2006 1:16:29 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?
Maybe because Singapore is a dictatorship, and the US and Scotland are not? We could probably get rid of all drug users also, if we threw away the Constitution and just went for it.
112 posted on 06/18/2006 1:53:48 PM PDT by LonghornFreeper
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Maybe because the SinoFascist who run that place have run a total war on personal freedom.

The white man should never embrace the methods of the SinoFascists. Its is against our natural respect for individual rights and healthy disrespect for authority, something lacking in many Asian cultures (especially the Chinese, who are the majority of Singapore's population).

139 posted on 06/18/2006 5:23:43 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

You can't seriously think that drugs don't get sold and used in Singapore.

But they seem to have done well in their war against toliet seats left unflushed in public restrooms.

205 posted on 06/19/2006 11:18:00 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: Joe Bfstplk; SittinYonder; All
Why didn't Singapore lose its war on drugs?

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/01/15/singapore.executions.reut/

About 400 people have been hanged in Singapore since 1991, mostly for drug trafficking, giving the wealthy city-state of four million people possibly the highest execution rate in the world relative to its population, Amnesty said.

Singapore's drug laws are among the world's harshest. Anyone aged 18 or over convicted of carrying more than 15 grams of heroin faces mandatory execution by hanging.

But drug addiction was still a problem, Amnesty said, adding that there was "no convincing evidence" high execution rates had curbed drug use in Singapore.

It cited Singapore Central Narcotics Bureau statistics showing 3,393 people arrested for drug offences in 2002 and the number of new drug abusers up 16 percent from 2001. Use of methamphetamines, or "ice," also showed a significant increase.

206 posted on 06/19/2006 11:22:06 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Singapore "won" the war on drugs, I guess. However, they have lost all vestiges of a free society besides very limited property rights.


272 posted on 06/21/2006 9:25:02 AM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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