Canadians join 'hot, dirty' offensive -- Coalition begins Operation Mountain Thrust

CanWest News Service via National Post ^ | 2006-06-15 | Matthew Fisher

[Candor7]

Its difficult to get a picture of the men involved all round from here in the States, Thanks Clive for passing this info along to me.

Its good that they have a good press man along and if he understands the troops , he is more likely to survive his assignment.

[Candor7]

Canadians join 'hot, dirty' offensive.

I just realized that domestically this header looks like a dating initiative with femino-Canadian Nazis at the U of T!

LOL!

I thought it funny because such an initiative would likely be almost as dangerous as the road from Kandahar to Quetta!

[CaptainCanada]

Benelli Pump with mag extender, capable 3.5 inch 12 gauge ammo, 8 rounds and one chambreed in standard shells.

Needs an ATI Tactical butt stock and heat shield...

[NorthOf45]

Yes, the PPCLI are in good hands with Hope.

Biography - Lt. Col. Ian Hope

[Candor7]

Thanks North!!! He appears to be a lad from my neck of the woods.Very interesting to see Nova Scotia people move into other Scots regiments across the country. His transfer from the West Novies to PPCLI indicates a desire for action posting.

May Hope stay the course!!

[Candor7]

Needs an ATI Tactical butt stock and heat shield...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The semi auto military version has a pistol grip stock, no heat sheild though. The US Marines use the semi auto and the Nova pump. The barrel can be changed out in less than a minute.With the Nova pump you can press a button and pump out the mag without chambering any shells, which saves time!

With the tactical Nova, the barrel is unmodified, and you can group rifled slugs at a 100 yards!

There are a lot of good pumps on the market,and Benelli is among the best of them.

[recce guy]

We already use shotguns. The Remingotn 870.
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-c870p.htm
It's not a Benelli but it does the trick.

[Candor7]

Good to know on the Remington SGs, They have been life savers in forced entry and house clearing tasks by US Marines.

BTW, if you are interested , there is a lot of 12 gauge exotic ammo, such as flechettes and plastic lock buster rounds on the market.

My Benelli Nova Tactical has an unmodified barrel ( no choke) and its the first SG I have owned that can accurately group rifled slugs at 100 yards, 8 to 10 inches. Some of the batch on my guns production run are in Iraq now,(The secret is to also have a really clean barrel as well.)On double ought buck, the gun spreads the shot to a diameter of about 3 feet over 25 yards. I can clear 8 rounds in about 10 seconds with fair accuracy. The shoulder is another matter entirely.(Ouch!)

The tactical semi-auto Benelli is in such demand by US troops that the entire production run was sequestered by US forces last year. It is really hard to get one even now.

[recce guy]

I would love to personally own a Benelli but can't really afford it. We have the lock buster rounds in the Cdn Forces system but have not seen any flechette rounds. Those sound like they could hurt.

[Candor7]

http://www.antipersonnel.net/sdllc/007.html

Some who redeploy to Iraq take some of these with them for special occasions.

[Candor7]

COMBAT COMPARISON
During the United States Vietnam War of 1965-1972 shotguns played an active role with ground forces and buckshot and flechette ammunition were actively evaluated for combat effectiveness. Combat evaluations from May 1967 to February 1968 were made with flechettes, M162 00 buckshot, and XM257 #4 buckshot. Flechette ammunition indicated a high lethality at all ranges with several one shot kills at engagement ranges to 100 yards, flechettes were prefered by combatants equally to 00 buckshot during this test phase. Flechette ammunition and 00 buckshot were also equally prefered over the issued XM257 #4 buckshot, which proved ineffective under combat conditions, lacking the penitration and terminal performance of either flechettes or 00 buckshot. Adoption of a standardized flechette cartridge was hindered by the United States govenment decision to begin disengaging from the Vietnam War. Flechette superiority to buckshot has proven manifest for all aspects of performance in velocity, grouping, and terminal effects.

[NorthOf45]

Ah yes, the Remingotn 870, one of our boarding parties' favourites. From Combat Camera ...



April 7, 2003, HMCS Iroquois, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Gulf Region ( Hi Res ) - A member of the naval boarding party fires the Remington 870 combat shotgun during rangework aboard HMCS Iroquois in the Gulf of Oman. HMCS Iroquois is the flagship for coalition Task Force 151 which is responsible for escorting ships, intercepting and boarding suspect vessels and guarding against attacks on shipping, in support of Operation Apollo, Canada's contribution to the international campaign against terrorism.



April 6, 2003, HMCS Regina, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Gulf Region ( Hi Res ) - Members of HMCS Regina's naval boarding party, armed with MP5 sub machine guns (and Remington 870 SGs), stand guard on the aft deck during a boarding of a suspect vessel in the Gulf of Oman. The Canadian frigate is part of Coalition Task Force 151, and is responsible for escorting ships, intercepting and boarding suspect vessels and guarding against attacks on shipping, in support of Operation Apollo.



April 5, 2003, HMCS Regina, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Gulf Region ( Hi Res ) - Members of HMCS Regina's naval boarding party receive orders under red light conditions in the ships hangar, prior to a night boarding of a suspect vessel in the Gulf of Oman. Red light is used in order to preserve the night vision before the mission, and the boarding party is well-armed with a variety of weapons including shotguns, assault rifles, machine guns, and pistols. The Canadian frigate is part of Coalition Task Force 151.



April 5, 2003, HMCS Regina, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Gulf Region ( Hi Res ) - Members of HMCS Regina's naval boarding party receive orders under red light conditions in the ships hangar, prior to a night boarding of a suspect vessel in the Gulf of Oman. Red light is used in order to preserve the night vision of the boarding party before the mission. The Canadian frigate is part of Coalition Task Force 151.

[Candor7]

Wow North! Thanks for the great pic links, being a shot gun fan myself, I appreciate these photos a lot