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Bush sneaking North American super-state without oversight?
WorldNet Daily ^ | June 13, 2006 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 06/13/2006 6:08:39 AM PDT by conservativecorner

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To: dennisw

There is very little substance to what Corsi is trying to imply. He is looking at the sun rising in the east and setting in the west and deducing that the sun revolves around the earth. What he is looking at are a bunch of projects pretty much independent but with some attempts at coordination to better handle increased trade and attract more of the jobs related to trade. It isn't a sinister Buildaburger plot, but various trade groups, shippers, developers, warehousers, retailers, construction companies, truckers, railroads, local gov't's, states, etc. all trying to get more pieces of the pie. Many of the proposals are in competetion with each other, KC is fighting Houston, San Antonio, DFW, LA, Phoenix, St. Louis, Memphis, on and on and on.

The shift to more imports from China isn't perfect and for some is painful, but it is hard to stop the market from seeking its own course. I can understand arguments for more protectionism, even if I disagree and think that in the long run that would hurt our economy more than help. And there are some risks associated with streamlining the border crossings, though nowhere near what has been portrayed. My main point is that all these efforts are not part of a grand sinister secret plot, but simply a bunch of different efforts at econ. development and capturing some of that business, with some coordination but no single group driving it.

Actually it is more groups trying to jump onto and profit from changes and trends. For the states, instead of having traffic overwhelm already clogged highways why not go ahead and build capacity, and let private companies build these toll roads instead of taxpayers, and funnel trucks onto these toll roads and off of the free interstates. So Texas started planning for this, and other states such as OK, IN, and FL saw it and studied it to see if it might work there, too. Meanwhile the feds are saying that they aren't going to have money to build all the proposals like I-69 (remember that many earlier projects were built with as much as 80-90% fed funding), so there is a natural desire on both the state and fed level to turn to tolling, and private firms are more efficient at building, operating, and maintaining than gov't. Plus a lot of these road proposals were cooked up to direct traffic (and the resulting jobs) to their area, whether it be KC, OKC, Memphis, or Indiana. So when a group with a marketable concept like NAFTA corridor (or NASCA, or whatever) comes along and it looks like they can use it to push for their area, they jump on it.

Then you have a railroad (KCS) that bought a Mexican railroad and spent a lot of money fixing it up. But they need help building their own tracks between their Mexican franchise and their existing lines in Beaumont (they use other railroad's tracks in between, which slows them down and costs them rent.) The more traffic they can gin up, the more profit they can make, so they are pushing KC, just like they're pushing Ohio, Houston, and the Southeast. They went to the state, and proposed the state give them a low-interest loan to build the line and in turn they'd build an intermodal terminal (just like KC's) in Houston, which would add more jobs and lower freight rates by adding competition. So the state and the railroad cooperate. Nothing sinister, not really coordinated with all the other groups, but there is overlap so someone just quickly looking superficially could jump to the conclusion that it is a grand conspiracy. It isn't, it is bottom up ideas, with some gathering enough support to tie together various supporters.


301 posted on 06/13/2006 8:16:49 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: William Terrell
"The case fell(failed?) on points that could easily be fixed."

"Fixed" is prophetic. Whatever happens in congress, it is apparent that employee verification is going to be extended to every employer in the country and eventually every employee.

If fedgov doesn't get this verification problem "fixed", it is going to be a big mess.

302 posted on 06/13/2006 8:17:22 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: AmishDude

I unlike most posters here, have actually attended CFR meetings, and know the "truth." What is the truth? That is for me to know, and you to find out. But electricity thing strikes me as a magic act, and the results of plugging in, is one factlet, more than any other, that I think is the most persuasive for the God believers to adduce to the God-less, e.g., moi.


303 posted on 06/13/2006 8:18:26 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I unlike most posters here, have actually attended CFR meetings, and know the "truth." What is the truth? That is for me to know, and you to find out.

Wow, I'm just so totally, insanely jealous of you!!! Not.

Even if I were invited to go to one of these things, which I never would be, I'd have no interest in going whatsoever. Listening to this conglomeration of dippy academic utopians, trust fund babies, and greedy SOBs would almost certainly make me want to throw up.

Granted, most of them go to the Ivy League schools and are connected to the moon, but they really aren't half as smart or special as they think they are. I'd take advice from the average guy in the south or the midwest any day.

304 posted on 06/13/2006 8:38:04 PM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: jpl

Well, let me give you a hint, as a lagniappe, for your culinary pleasure. They invite speakers to speak, some Americans, some not. One such speaker was Reagan's attorney general, William French Smith, who spoke about immigration. He thought the law would incentivize employers not to hire illegals, because if they did, the courts would issue injunctions, which if violated, would send the employers to jail for contempt of court. Lawyers don't always get it right. I know, you might find that shocking.


305 posted on 06/13/2006 8:41:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AmishDude
Sorry. You're taking agenda from a think tank and grafting it onto some administration actions.

Huh? I posted material from The State Department, not a think tank.

306 posted on 06/13/2006 11:15:30 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: conservativecorner
Many Republicans admit to being mystified as to why George W. Nixon refuses to secure our border and Corsi's theory seems to be the most logical explanation. Thanks for the post.
307 posted on 06/14/2006 4:37:49 AM PDT by Nephi (Open borders is the other side of the globalist free trade coin. George W. Nixon is a globalist.)
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To: AmishDude
That's who Mark Steyn is.

So after all, still just a pundit. One we admire. Same with long-time Reaganite commentator, Lawrence Auster who commands tremendous respect among true conservatives everywhere.

Except you.

But I guess you have outed yourself, eh?

308 posted on 06/14/2006 6:47:59 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

the big thing is that roads that lead to mexico are a bad deal. if you were a globalist you might even swing a deal glombing together the usa and canada but mixing in mexico is a 100% bad deal for the USA.

what makes any country worth anything is the middle class.

the billionaires have become nomads.


309 posted on 06/14/2006 7:17:53 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
what makes any country worth anything is the middle class.

Reagan clearly understood that. The RINOs don't apparently.

310 posted on 06/14/2006 7:20:15 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: conservativecorner

Trouble, trouble, run and shout,
wring your hands and run about.

Let's see if we can get Farah to
fund air raid shelters. Which air force am
I more frightened of, the Mexicans
or the Canadians?


311 posted on 06/14/2006 7:21:33 AM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Ikemeister

The trouble is that no one quite sees that the very best thing we could do for Mexico is to send their now well trained citizens home.

Suddenly Mexico would have a skilled workforce who knew something about how a world class country worked.

Think these folk would propel a great leap forward for Mexico?

I do.

Basically the ruling class in Mexico will not change of its own volition. But it can be forced to change.

The Mexicans in the USA have had the picture of what a well run country looks like tatooed on the back of their eyeballs. And they'll have an idea of how to get there. Send them back to Mexico and they'll get a revolution in Mexico that'll do that country some good.

The shock troops for that would be the 12 million repatriated Mexican citizens. Having seen what a well run country looks like they would not want to be stuffed back in the old wineskin.


There's something more.

I follow water desalination research pretty closely. While water desalination costs have dropped to about a third of what they were 15 years ago--the rate at which prices will drop over the next seven years will accelerate considerably. imo in even the next five years we will see desalination costs drop to 1/10th of today's costs.

Basically, the foundations are being laid today to make it economically feasable to to turn all the world's deserts green. (The proper way to look at this is to recall that cars, tv's and computers were at first rich men's toys but when prices came down they changed the world. Desalinised water is still relatively speaking -- a rich man's toy. But when the price drops sufficiently--desalinised water will change the world--because most deserts are right beside the ocean.)

imho cheap desalinised water will do for the republicans (if they can get this on their agenda) what the great dam building projects & the tva of the 1930's &40's did for democrats because 1/3 of the US is deserts. We would increase the habitable size of the USA by 1/3.

Dirt cheap desalinised water will also do things like make it possible to double the habitable size of Mexico.

And desalinated water in tandem with repatriation of now skilled Mexican citizens would propel Mexico into being a world class country.


312 posted on 06/14/2006 7:21:52 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: righttackle44
The Canadians are a bit busy with the Islamo-fascist terrorists who wanted to kill the Canadian Prime Minister and do other harm to the Government of Canada. In Mexico, we have an ally whose envoy to Iran said the Iranians had every right in the world to continue to develop their nuclear program including the enrichment process. Did ya happen to see that Hasert has put a halt on the Shamnesty Plan of McLame and Fat Teddy? LOL!
313 posted on 06/14/2006 7:28:26 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: ckilmer
Basically, the foundations are being laid today to make it economically feasable to to turn all the world's deserts green.

Generating yet-more oxygen and sucking up CO2. If there were any basis to the man-caused 'threat' of Global Warming, then this process of greening would easily reverse that.

Of course, I believe that the bigger risk is of a Snap Ice-Age...

314 posted on 06/14/2006 7:32:04 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Plutarch

Ah, the same state department that is notorious for doing Bush's bidding, eh?


315 posted on 06/14/2006 7:35:31 AM PDT by AmishDude (Everybody loves Amishdude. Or else!)
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To: Paul Ross; MikefromOhio
Oh, yes, the True™ Conservative®. You know the one. If you don't worship the same politicians and never-was writers, if you don't buy the same lines, if you don't subscribe to the same conspiracies, you're not a genuine down-the-line T™ C®. Of course, when two T™ C®'s argue, flinging the word RINO around the room like a monkey flings its own lawrenceauster, there's likely to be an explosion the likes of which hasn't been seen since 1945.

But at least Steyn does a little more with his time than merely live in New Hampshire.

316 posted on 06/14/2006 7:44:40 AM PDT by AmishDude (Everybody loves Amishdude. Or else!)
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To: AmishDude
But at least Steyn does a little more with his time than merely live in New Hampshire.

Not much other than pen a few words. But good words. And so does Auster.

317 posted on 06/14/2006 7:56:54 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: AmishDude
FYI from Polipundit. The fat lady is singing on the shamnesty plan. ENJOY!!

Hastert Uses Sunshine to Kill Mold, Mildew and Immigration Bills


The media is calling it, “Hastert Deals Blow to Immigration Bill.” To myself, it looks like Speaker Hastert is going to use sunshine to kill the mold, excuse me kill “the bill.”

Hastert said hearings on the Senate bill should be held before appointing anyone to a House-Senate committee to negotiate a compromise immigration bill. Later, he said he was unsure what the House’s next move would be.

“We’re going to take a long look at it,” Hastert said late Tuesday.

Ahem…."take a long look” is Washington code for lets bury this thing.

Remember that John McCain was in a hurry to get this abomination all wrapped up and to the House before Memorial Day. Why? Because he clearly understood that too much “sunshine” would have a harmful effect on his creation.

John McCain and Teddy Kennedy just love to have hearings. Especially, when they are open to the Press. It will be priceless to now listen to McCain and Kennedy, two men that are normally in love with hearings, to now talk about rushing things. Speaker Hastert, please make sure the hearings are all in public.

House Majority Leader John Boehner made a very reasonable statement, in fact it was a statement that should be considered very reasonable;

I think we should know clearly what’s in the Senate bill.

I wonder what Lindsey Grahem would have to say about the House wanting to know “clearly what’s in the Senate bill?”

Looks like this will look real good for members of the House, who will nit pick this to death, and show what a good job they are doing, and it will look very bad for Republican Senators, up for election, that supported this.

I would now suspect that that Minority of the Majority that supported this thing will try to kill the bill so hearings do not occur.

-- Oak Leaf
318 posted on 06/14/2006 8:01:52 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Paul Ross
And yet all that they could say about him, they could have called him a syndicated columnist or plug a book he's written or even a blog. No. All they could say is that he "lives in New York City."

And I am sick of your comparisons to Steyn. Steyn is a genius. His wordsmithing skills are unparalleled. Auster is a second-rate hack who publishes in web-only mags, most recently FrontPage, which is a fine magazine, but Auster isn't exactly in demand.

I have to admit, I have some admiration for Auster. He's a man with impeccable paleocon credentials: He spoke at the 1994 American Renaissance conference. According to David Frum (neocon extraordinaire), "[Samuel] Francis's speech at the 1994 conference of the white-supremacist American Renaissance organization, for example, ultimately cost him his job as a staff columnist at the Washington Times."

A quote from that speech:

"The civilization that we as whites created in Europe and America could not have developed apart from the genetic endowments of the creating people." — SAMUEL FRANCIS, SPEECH AT THE AMERICAN RENAISSANCE
Auster didn't deserve mention in Frum's paleocon article.

But he's been willing to engage the Muslim world and has been ashamed of paleo anti-Semitism.

He does, however, have a penchant for paranoia and a disturbing love of racialist language. From Larry's own blog on this very subject:

They don’t like America, it is still too particular, still too different from the rest of the world, still too white. They want America to be cast down and defeated, so that it can no longer stand in the path of true moral and human progress. What is true moral and human progress? The browning of the Western world, leading to the cultural homogenization and economic unification of the human race.

And this is not unusual for Larry's writing. For him, cultural differences are literally black and white (or to be current, brown and white). with a penchant for paranoia and a disturbing flirtation with racism:

It made Richard Cohen suddenly realize that if Gore and his minions keep pushing ahead with their audacious attempt to steal the nation's highest office, it could lead to the unthinkable: an uncontrollable uprising by white America against the left-liberal consensus that has ruled our country for the last several decades. 11/27/2000.
Just white America, Larry?

Sorry, the guy just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I don't really care about what he says about anything.

319 posted on 06/14/2006 8:42:15 AM PDT by AmishDude (Everybody loves Amishdude. Or else!)
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To: AmishDude
You aren't as talkative to me today. Bad news on the Shamnesty Plan bringing you down?
320 posted on 06/14/2006 9:17:00 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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