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Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes in Senate
The Washington Times ^ | Jun 5, 2006 | LAURIE KELLMAN

Posted on 06/05/2006 10:00:29 AM PDT by kellynla

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush and congressional Republicans are aiming the political spotlight this week on efforts to ban gay marriage, with events at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue - all for a constitutional amendment with scant chance of passage but wide appeal among social conservatives.

"Ages of experience have taught us that the commitment of a husband and wife to love and to serve one another promotes the welfare of children and the stability of society," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "Government, by recognizing and protecting marriage, serves the interests of all."

The president was to make further remarks Monday in favor of the amendment as the Senate opened three days of debate. Neither chamber, though, is likely to pass the amendment by the two-thirds majority required to send it to the states - three quarters of which would then have to approve it.

Many Republicans support the measure because they say traditional marriage strengthens society; others don't but concede the reality of election-year politics.

"Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined."

But Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., said he will vote against it on the floor but allowed it to survive his panel in part to give the Republicans the debate party leaders believe will pay off on Election Day. Specter has chosen a different battle with the Bush administration this week - a hearing Tuesday on the ways the FBI spies on journalists who publish classified information.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
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To: durasell
I had a couple gay friends who had fathers who tried to beat the gay out of them...closed fists and workboot beatings (Not a lot of success with that method).

I've never seen or heard of such a thing except from Dims who pretend this stuff happens every day in every town in America. And except for a few years, I've lived only in the Reddest states. I probably only escape being a redneck because I can type and I pretend to parse sentences.

Apparently, these things must happen only in very liberal communities. But I never see it here in flyover country.
201 posted on 06/05/2006 4:00:05 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
"Accusing Republicans or conservatives of being fascist is never seen here on FR. This a word used almost exclusively by the Left."

The exception, outrageous and baseless, is Pat Buchanan. A segment of fundamentalists and other neocons are particularly hostile toward any praise of him. A very rotten segment... irreverently naive, analytically inept, and sexually... I will stop there.

202 posted on 06/05/2006 4:02:20 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: George W. Bush

Very common up until the early 80s. You probably wouldn't hear of it unless it happened in your family, like wife beating, etc. Probably the most famous case of it is Little Richard -- his father tied him to the bed and tried to whip it out of him.


203 posted on 06/05/2006 4:03:23 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Aker
Face it, the only people having problems with gay people are christians, jews and muslims... at least it used to be like that untill some of the "hate" rubbed off on other cultures.

The issue is homosexual marriage. If you wish to accuse conservatives such as myself with hate mongering I would suggest you do it on a forum that caters to such leftist "critical thinking" argumentative ploys...

204 posted on 06/05/2006 4:04:58 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: SteveMcKing
The exception, outrageous and baseless, is Pat Buchanan.

You're right. I forgot about them calling Buchanan a Nazi fascist. Well, when they weren't calling him a socialist and a communist.
205 posted on 06/05/2006 4:06:24 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: linda_22003

It is very much about government behavior when judges take it upon themselves to reverse the will of the people.


206 posted on 06/05/2006 4:07:28 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: pec
This whole gay marriage thing confuses the heck out of me. Since when does the legitimacy of a marriage derive from the GOVERNMENT? I thought we conservatives didn't put much stock in government. Government should have nothing to do with marriage, traditional or otherwise. The sanctity of my marriage is between me, my wife, and God.

Stop it! Stop making sense! Stop it at once!

207 posted on 06/05/2006 4:08:05 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: pec
They're going to order people to marry others of the same sex? Wow, that will suck.

How old are you?

How simplistic. No, you will just be required to recognize and honor the "marriage" of two guys who want to rent your garage apartment; who want to teach your children that their union is no different than a traditional one and just as wholesome; that sex ed will be mandatorily taught with more than just a cucumber and a condom; that should you and yours die without a caretaker designated for your child, a homosexual will have a fair shot at obtaining him; that the next frontier of a "maturing society" will involve not just two, but three, four, etc. with all the above mentioned imposed on your life and your children's. Happy?

208 posted on 06/05/2006 4:08:13 PM PDT by fwdude (If at first you don't succeed .......... form a committee and hire a consultant.)
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To: Gone GF
Even worse, I already have some friends who claim they are married to icebergs.

So, how long have you known the Clintons?

209 posted on 06/05/2006 4:09:33 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: genxer

When did homosexuals ever have the right to get married?


210 posted on 06/05/2006 4:09:56 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: fwdude
No, you will just be required to recognize and honor the "marriage" of two guys who want to rent your garage apartment

Remember the cases in Colorado where the gays tried to force people who rented out rooms or apartments in their own home to accept gays as tenants?

It shows how far these people will go to impose their lifestyle on others and force them to participate in it.
211 posted on 06/05/2006 4:12:37 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: fwdude

On that topic, one place where one's personal choice to discriminate still prevails is indeed our own private sex lives.

Depending where you live, saying "I don't date blacks/whites/asians" can elicit different reactions... Are you a racist? Are you "not attracted" to them? Why?

Look for the day when you are charged with bigotry, if only in social opinion, for refusing to date homosexuals.


212 posted on 06/05/2006 4:23:33 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Uncle Vlad

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1643712/posts?q=1&&page=151#161


213 posted on 06/05/2006 4:26:36 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SteveMcKing

Exactly right. You can't have a marriage without a husband and wife...and two people of the same sex can't fulfill those roles.


214 posted on 06/05/2006 4:31:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: fwdude

Good Posting!


215 posted on 06/05/2006 4:33:39 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: George W. Bush

Hey, where'd the libertarians go?


216 posted on 06/05/2006 4:46:20 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: durasell

Here's a better solution. Let's leave the word marriage alone. The guy's old man beats the crap out of him, there are two solutions. Get tougher and beat the crap out of the old man or call the cops and then make your own way in the world after you testify at his trial.


217 posted on 06/05/2006 4:47:57 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

So, has the amendment passed yet? The suspense is killing me.


218 posted on 06/05/2006 4:47:59 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Aker
Should the good society let "these" people die?

Where have you been? Not only was Terry Schaivo allowed to die, she was actively deprived of food and water. Tell me, what makes Terry less important than an AIDS sufferer?

219 posted on 06/05/2006 4:50:51 PM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: HostileTerritory
Dunno but I'd be willing to bet soem large money that they don't have the votes. But they will have the record. I'm interested in how McCain is going to vote here. Does he slink back to the right or does he emerge as an independent candidate a libertarian can love. He's got the open borders thing down cold. All he needs do now is give up on social conservatism and he'll get a guaranteed 1 percent of the vote in '08.

Sorry for the snideness. I don't like John McCain.

220 posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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