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Land Grab - Russia rejects Georgia's and Moldova's territorial integrity
Kommersant ^ | June 02, 2006 | Vladimir Solovyev; Vladimir Novikov

Posted on 06/02/2006 2:22:00 PM PDT by lizol

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The Russian Foreign Minister yesterday for the first time openly declared that the unrecognized republics in the former Soviet Union have a right to self-determination.

Damn! So there is some hope for free Chechnya??!! (sarcasm)
1 posted on 06/02/2006 2:22:04 PM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 06/02/2006 2:23:12 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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"Damn! So there is some hope for free Chechnya??!! (sarcasm)"

The hope for the entire free Islamist Jihadist North Caucasus (another sarcasm -:))) !

No responsible country will recognize if Putin Regime will try to tear apart Abkhazia and S. Ossetia from Georgia.


3 posted on 06/02/2006 2:27:31 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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They behave like a child playing with matches on a haystack.


4 posted on 06/02/2006 2:30:06 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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5 posted on 06/02/2006 2:38:59 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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This would not be possible if not for the action of NATO in Kosovo. Unfortunately our own country continues to be on the wrong side of the Kosovo issue and seems determined to rip it from Serbia. Once done there will be no credible arguments for maintaining the hypothetical territorial integrity of Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaidzhan.
6 posted on 06/02/2006 2:42:04 PM PDT by Timedrifter
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7 posted on 06/02/2006 2:42:35 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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>>>>>>>>>Unfortunately our own country continues to be on the wrong side of the Kosovo issue and seems determined to rip it from Serbia. Once done there will be no credible arguments for maintaining the hypothetical territorial integrity of Moldova, Georgia, and Azerbaidzhan.>>>>>>>

You forgot to mention The United States of America. Kosovo is a template for Aztlan. People living in AZ, CA already experience what Serbs in Kosovo experienced in 1970s and 1980s when Albaniand ilegally settled in droves.

8 posted on 06/02/2006 2:59:46 PM PDT by DTA
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Woodrow Wilson very vague Self-Determination principle proclaimed in 1919 during Paris Peace Conference was used by a number of unsavory characters.

Hitler evoked Self-Determination Principle to justify taking predominantly German Sudetz region from Czech Republic in 1938 and the same year gobbled up the entire Czechoslovakia.

Self-Determination rhethoric was also used by Nazis when Annexing Austria.

It can be used by a number of political actors to suit their purposes which may range from mere secession of geographically identifiable region to the establishing springboard for future expansion into a given country, region or the world.

Islamists can use self-determination concept to demand special rights to Muslim communities within non-Muslim countries and then expand their anclaves until they swallow up their host countries entirely which is exactly what's slowly but surely is happening in Europe.

Overall, the move by Putin regime is reckless and dangerous and it endangers not only the territorial integrity of Georgia but that of Russia too.

As we know, the bad example is contagious.


10 posted on 06/02/2006 3:30:48 PM PDT by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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Russia rejects the soviet decision that these groups be included with other ethnic groups and into a single soviet state.

And they're the only one on the block not rvering Soviet decisions as the gospel.


13 posted on 06/02/2006 10:07:35 PM PDT by x5452
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Well, if Montenegrines could self-determine their future via referendum than Transdniestria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia can do it too.


14 posted on 06/03/2006 9:53:23 AM PDT by vertolet
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Sure, so can Chechnya.


15 posted on 06/03/2006 10:35:55 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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Sure you know that chechens got their independence twice (with Dudayev and Maskhadov) but showed themselves as bandits.

Chechnya is a headache for Russia, every russian is ready to get rid of Chechnya but first chechens must prove their ability to build normal peaceful state.


16 posted on 06/03/2006 10:58:42 AM PDT by vertolet
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And now they have a "normal peaceful state"?


17 posted on 06/03/2006 11:01:01 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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I truly believe, that it would be much better for Russia to get rid of Chechnya - like it was for France with Algeria.

But to let them go Russia needs a courageous stateman - like De Gaulle was.


18 posted on 06/03/2006 11:05:43 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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=And now they have a "normal peaceful state"?=

Not state but region. The situation is better, it's obvious. Grozny is a city of builders now.

Though the combination of muslim ideology and bandit traditions is the biggest threat.

=I truly believe, that it would be much better for Russia to get rid of Chechnya - like it was for France with Algeria.=

Two problems:
1) Chechens are very militant nation.
2) Chechnya is not on another side of a sea but mostly surrounded by other regions of Russia.

=But to let them go Russia needs a courageous stateman - like De Gaulle was.=

The most important achievement of Putin and his command regarding Chechnya - he forced chechens to fight with their terrorists and bandits. De Gaulle sucks in comparison.


19 posted on 06/04/2006 9:33:48 PM PDT by vertolet
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The "unrecognized republics" will merely become Russia's puppet republics if Putin's regime has its way; de facto, this is what they are right now-- since the Russian military controls these areas to a greater extent than the legitimate freer governments which Putin despises.

I think that even native Russians would be happier outside of Russia's sphere of influence; they would have far fewer economic and political restrictions to contend with.

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20 posted on 06/06/2006 2:11:54 PM PDT by G. Stolyarov II (http://rationalargumentator.com)
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