Posted on 05/31/2006 1:32:23 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
Not so. I'm financially very conservative and socially very liberal. "Do whatever you like, but do it on your own dime" is my philosophy in a nutshell. And I don't think government should be undertaking social engineering programs of ANY kind. I don't want to be forced to pay for abstinence programs, and I don't want to be forced to pay for how-to-put-a-condom-on-a-cucumber programs.
I think most all of us of both stripes could.
And I think *if* we want another 'Contract with America', this is the kind of conversation we need to have.
A liberal is someone who puts what the think is best for society ahead of all else, to the point where they would take your life for it.
Wow -- good idea for a tag if it can be wordsmithed down!! Please dont take this wrong: is that original or paraphrasing someone else?
Not so, per my post #41.
If we're going to deal with marriage laws at the state level, then no state should be required to recognize ANY marriage. Personally, I want the government totally out of the business of defining/licensing/registering marriages.
Personally, I consider myself to be a fiscal conservative and a social libertarian/conservative.
Don't know how to do it but we MUST reverse once and for all New London.
With no private property guarantees, there is no Nation.
You have to be careful asking this because you have many looney libertarians around here.
Short answer it is both and inseperable.
The effort to split the two is a Moby product of the Lackoff "win with words" propaganda scam to try and revitalize the left by arguing the myth that the two are seperate.
This shows me you have a problem with religious as well as social conservatives. You guys like taking advantage of the organizational skills and the dedication of religious conservatives, but boy you hate it when it comes time to respect them for what they value!!!
This observation does not come from a bible thumper. I haven't been a member of organized religion for almost 45 years!!! So don't start flamin me just because I gave ya somethin to think about...
That's an original, and thank you very much (even though I missed the "y" in "they".)
I'd say the older conservatism was more of a realistic libertarianism - mostly against government power and regulation and supporting of freedom, within limits.
Today it seems conservatism just means socially conservative. You can get away with all sorts of government expansion of power and spending and control, but as long as you're pro-life, it's okay.
I would argue that is 'political' liberals.
"Socially" liberal just means, "live and let live", as long as it's victimless.
I prefer to emphasize "the political is the personal" part.
If people understood haw their politics personally affected others, how the law is a personal threat to others, maybe they'd be more careful guiding government power.
I disagree, and I think this is the 'conceptual' error that has kept Cs from being hte power that they will eventually be.
"Social" movements are not, or at least *should not* be political.
Socially, people are all over the map. But your 'political' leanings are in question when you answer the question, "should govt pass laws to support your preferred social behavior and punish other social behaviors you find objectionable".
And I only mean when there is no 'victim'.
I'm sorry if I gave you some reason to believe that.
I do *respect* what religious conservatives feel about marriage, homosexuality, and the like. I just don't believe it is a "Political" issue.
Just like I am against prostitution. But I do not think it should be criminal. That is not a function of govt.
I'm trying to point out the difference between 'social' views and their political counterparts. Social views are fine, until someone wants to enforce them on others.
Socially Liberal simply means, "live and let live", to me.
"They hate us for our freedoms."
I agree 100%. Left this out.
Exactly my feelings.
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