Posted on 05/30/2006 7:02:57 AM PDT by gallaxyglue
By KAREN W. ARENSON Published: May 30, 2006 It is a kind of Alice-in-Wonderland idea. If you do not finish high school, head straight for college. Suzanne DeChillo/The New York Times ...But many colleges — public and private, two-year and four-year — will accept students who have not graduated from high school or earned equivalency degrees...In New York, the issue flared in a budget battle this spring. There are nearly 400,000 students like Ms. Pointer nationwide, accounting for 2 percent of all college students, 3 percent at community colleges and 4 percent at commercial, or profit-making, colleges, according to a survey by the United States Education Department in 2003-4. That is up from 1.4 percent of all college students four years earlier....(S)ome educators say even students who could not complete high school should be allowed to attend college. Nowhere is this contradiction more evident than in California. This year, 47,000 high school seniors, about 10 percent of the class, have not passed the exit examinations required to graduate from high school. They can still enroll in many colleges, although they are no longer eligible for state tuition grants. State Senator Deborah Ortiz, Democrat of Sacramento, has proposed legislation to change that. "As long as the opportunity to go to college exists for students without a diploma," Ms. Ortiz said, "qualifying students from poor or low-income families should remain entitled to college financial aid."
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More liberal "we don't want to hurt their self esteem" nonsense.
My English teachers would have had fits over the use of the word "like" in the way I increasingly see it used. Maybe some of the "new" English is really a backlash at the strict English teachers of the past.
I found college useful for future employers to show them I was good at jumping through hoops in the proscribed order.
That, or the students' attitudes have more influence over the teachers than vice-versa. I've noticed teachers acting their students' age in other grade levels, from kindergarten through college.
That is not necessarily true any more. Many colleges have certificate programs that are designed to prepare students for specific jobs.
This article is not clear as to what type of programs the students mentioned are enrolling in. If they wish to enroll in a program that is job specific education for up to two years I have no problem with the idea at all. I do have an issue if students failed at high school now want taxpayer money in order to enroll in degree programs that are over their head and they are likely to fail.
I was not referring to a BA or BS or even an AA or AS; those are degree programs.
What I was referring to are called certificate programs, at least in my area. They are job specific study programs, that require very few classes outside of job requirements. This was all new to me, until my daughters were planning for college and I saw certificate programs listed in catalogs. Students enrolled in this type of program do not receive a degree, they receive a certificate of completion of classes in a particular field. The idea is they will not take classes that are not needed in their chosen career, and will be job ready in 2 years or less, depending on the program.
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
proscribe
One entry found for proscribe.
Main Entry: pro·scribe
Pronunciation: prO-'skrIb
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): pro·scribed; pro·scrib·ing
Etymology: Latin proscribere to publish, proscribe, from pro- before + scribere to write -- more at SCRIBE
1 : to publish the name of as condemned to death with the property of the condemned forfeited to the state
2 : to condemn or forbid as harmful or unlawful : PROHIBIT
- pro·scrib·er noun
Was proscribed a typo?
indeed a typo. should be "prescribed".
A culture that worships instant gratification and technology is bound to arrive at a brave new world were learning the works and ideas of classic literature, the foundation of our civilization, is no longer needed. But we do this at our own peril.
Public high schools are designed to teach "socialization" not literature. Community colleges tend to foster learning better than most high schools. It is a good sign that average and below average students are no longer wasting four years in dumbed down classes. It will be easier for community colleges to break them of bad habits.
Colleges know that a huge chunk of the freshmen have no business being in school. But their parents serve as cash cows, so they take them in and milk them before they go away. Those who have not graduated from high schools probably are no worse the the lower half of the graduates who enroll in college.
The best reason for going to college is the contacts one makes there.
This will cheapen college degrees if this is allowed to continue. They are being cheapened enough with stupid programs like "Women's Studies", etc.
I mean, seriously - what does it say for your college if you have people graduating that couldn't (or wouldn't) even earn a high school diploma or a GED?
Once upon a time there were schools called academies, and they providing schooling for youngsters from 13 to 19. Students would graduate with the equivalent of two years of college. Such schools began to go saway in the 1930s in Texas when the high schools added a 12th grade. For some of the better high schools, the graduates were as good as academy graduates and for middle class parents became a bargin. But after WWII when the high schools started to grauate the majority of their students, the quality of instruction began to go down even as more and more of them aimed to go one to college.
It just seems like we have no standards anymore. How do you move on from one grade to another?
Normal Person: Pass 3rd grade and go to 4th grade.
Libs: Dropout and go to college!
The Libs are killing us!
A distinction needs to be made between community colleges and four year competitive universities. Community colleges offer vocational training sadly lacking in public high schools. Most of the non" academically gifted" will need a trade. The "non gifted" are not treated well in high schools and would be better off at community colleges. They will end up at community colleges anyways.
Advanced and honors placement kids should not go to community colleges. Most colleges do not recognize work done at community colleges.
Using the phrases "and I go" or "he goes" in addition to "I'm like" or "he's like" has become part of the vernacular. Listen carefully to most people. I might say "I said" "he said" and so on but I know a lot of people who use the term "he says" or "so I says" and frankly, I'd rather here "like" and "go" than that!!
I don't need to be a snob about it. Now..... let's talk about the people who intersperse the word like every other word or use the same five words to describe literally every thought or experience. Americans are starting to sound like primitive tribes with limited vocabulary - I have to be careful about choosing words because I often note the blank stares of people because they do not know what I am talking about - and I'm speaking of what I consider basic words - examples: excoriate, verdant, profundity, prescient, moribund, ubiquitous. It's endless.
Don't look at me! I did not make the high schools what they are. I think people should work at grade level. If your grader can do ninth grade work she should be in ninth grade. Also some of these dropouts can do high school work. They are dropping out because of bullying.
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