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Who Killed the Electric Car?
http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/708/708800p1.html ^ | 5/15/06

Posted on 05/24/2006 12:29:25 AM PDT by BlueSky194

In 1996 a number of EV-1 electric cars began appearing on California's highways. The General Motors-produced vehicle was fast, ran quietly, produced no polluting exhaust and it ran without gasoline and then, suddenly, it was gone.

The documentary, Who Killed the Electric Car?, from producer Dean Devlin and filmmaker Chris Paine, chronicles the life and mysterious death of the groundbreaking vehicle, examining its cultural and economic ripple effects and how they reverberated through the halls of government and big business. Filmmakers make the case that the death of the EV-1 was, in fact, a murder. They claim to show that production of the revolutionary car was halted due to pressure from industries that would be harmed by the proliferation of electric car technology.

Who Killed the Electric Car?, a 2006 selection at the Tribeca and Sundance film festivals, interviews and investigates automakers, legislators, engineers, consumers and car enthusiasts from Los Angeles to Detroit, to work through motives and alibis, and to solve the complex mystery.

Who Killed the Electric Car?, from Sony Pictures Classics, opens in New York and L.A. on June 28 and will further expand this summer. It's been rated PG for "brief mild language."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; electriccars; energy; generalmotors; oil; oilcompanies
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To: BlueSky194
Filmmakers make the case that the death of the EV-1 was, in fact, a murder. They claim to show that production of the revolutionary car was halted due to pressure from industries that would be harmed by the proliferation of electric car technology.

Either it was the Bilderbergers or it's a technology that simply isn't feasible, unless we derive electricity from nuclear power. Yup, definitely the Bilderbergers.

41 posted on 05/24/2006 4:43:40 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: I Luv Bush

That was what was going through my mind. That, and Mac vs. PC.

Sometimes, there are other factors involved. Like marketing.

But I think the real constraint on the electric car was battery life and range.

And possibly the perceived danger of what would happen to the batteries during an accident.


42 posted on 05/24/2006 4:48:50 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: ABN 505
"Makes me wonder why steam has not been used or developed further since that time. I never hear of anyone useing heat and water as an alternitive."

something about exploding boilers, I believe. As if that isn't going to happen with fuel cells and hydrogen, etc...
43 posted on 05/24/2006 4:54:55 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: JLS
>>Yawn. Technologies don't die. If that car were to become the most viable technology today, it would quickly be adopted and mass produced. It hasn't been so it is not.<<

If any "killed" the electric car it was the anti-nuclear people who prevented production of vast quantities of cheap electricity and energy independence.
44 posted on 05/24/2006 4:57:19 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: I Luv Bush
Beta vs VHS, anyone?

I'd be curious where VHS is in a few years.

45 posted on 05/24/2006 4:58:49 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: jebeier
Stonecutters, in unison, on pitch, hoisting tankards:

''We do, we doooo!''

46 posted on 05/24/2006 5:01:56 AM PDT by Tenniel (Whenever a man casts a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct -- T. Jefferson)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
And possibly the perceived danger of what would happen to the batteries during an accident.

Yeah, it'd be awful to replace gasoline with something that could explode or catch fire in an accident. /s

47 posted on 05/24/2006 5:06:45 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to Islam since 1959.)
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To: BlueSky194

the electric car killed itself. actually, it was never alive to begin with. it was a myth.


48 posted on 05/24/2006 5:08:48 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (it's all just stuff.)
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To: Larry Lucido
Beta vs VHS, anyone?

I'd be curious where VHS is in a few years.

I'll tell where it isn't... It isn't used as a professional broadcast format, which is what Beta became with some modifications after it died as a consumer format.

49 posted on 05/24/2006 5:11:54 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to Islam since 1959.)
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To: BlueSky194

Actually electric cars are ubiquitous. You just have to go where they are.

A major consumer of electric cars are golf courses. All golf cars are electric.

Their siblings are very widely used by industry to shuttle people around within industrial plants. There are lots of similar cars in trailer and RV communities to move about within the area. There are also smaller electric scooters used extensively to move around in large industrial installations.

Muscular versions are hard at work on docks and other locations in plants carrying the products being manufactured. A large fraction of forklifts are electric cars on steroids.

The electric car is alive and well.


50 posted on 05/24/2006 5:12:13 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Cliff Dweller
Of course he didn't.... EVERYONE knows Al Gore invented the Electric Car, and, as such, is responsible for its demise.

LOL. . /but you know 'truth does not matter - GW will be blamed, anyway ;^)/

51 posted on 05/24/2006 5:13:43 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .or suffer the consequences)
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To: SlowBoat407

Acid burns. You ever been burned by sulphuric acid? And in the electric car models I saw, the batteries were right under the seats.


52 posted on 05/24/2006 5:15:27 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
And in the electric car models I saw, the batteries were right under the seats.

That'd be as bad as putting the gas tank under the seats. Why not put them over the drive wheels for traction?

53 posted on 05/24/2006 5:18:47 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living insult to Islam since 1959.)
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To: BlueSky194
Killed? Cars get reincarnated.


54 posted on 05/24/2006 5:19:17 AM PDT by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: SlowBoat407

I wasn't the engineer - don't ask me!


55 posted on 05/24/2006 5:24:28 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Locomotive Breath
It was all because the stupid California legislature mandated 10% of cars on the road had to be EVs without bothering to check whether they were even possible.

Ah, and this is the consistent problem these days with people, both general and political.

Today, everyone thinks everything is possible. Seems polar opposite of 100+ years ago where nothing was possible ("get a horse", "it'll never fly").

You know the dictum about "you can't legislate morality"? Well, alot of that is hogwash, but a solid truth to tell these know-nothing morons is "you can't legislate technological progress"!

56 posted on 05/24/2006 5:35:22 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: bert

Good point. Those utility vehicles are typically in a 'fleet' (there are others to use while some are charging), they typically need to be zero emission (inside use or odorless requirement), their use is short-range and on-site, and they're very basic machines. They successfully and cost-effectively fill those particular needs. And, we don't see testosterone-spiking commercials for hemi-powered golf carts smoking the course.


57 posted on 05/24/2006 5:36:47 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: BlueSky194
Who Killed Pulled the plug on the Electric Car?
58 posted on 05/24/2006 5:38:00 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: Jaxter
I think it was the 500 mile long extension cord.

Yeah and when that sucker got tangled up............wow what a ball of wiring.

Made the debacle in Chevy Chases' Christmas Vacation movie look rather tame by comparison.

:)

59 posted on 05/24/2006 5:42:22 AM PDT by Chuck54 (USA Today - NSA = Mapled & Rathered Reporting)
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To: ABN 505
the excelleration was tremendous and that it was quiet and comfortable. Makes me wonder why steam has not been used or developed further since that time. I never hear of anyone useing heat and water as an alternitive.

Watching Jay Leno drive his c. 1910 Stanley shows just how fast these things are (acceleration-wise). Steam is incredible; if a tiny box on the front of a giant steamer locomotive and 200-car long train can propel that entire train at even 55 mph for hours, you know steam is incredibly powerful.

However, there were/are problems implementing it on a small scale. Even the best flash-point steamers like Doble - the last to die out - had trouble especially with STEAM-UP TIME. You have to wait a significant amount of time to get going - just like electrics. This is the same for locomotives (which had different mechanisms for heating, of course) - they take a long time to "warm up". It's also why they would absolutely continue running between reasonably spaced jobs - turning it down and up again would waste alot of fuel and time.

Steam is a great idea - better than electric, in general, I think - but someone has to come up with a way to warm it up "instantly" and efficiently (you need something to make steam - fuel or electric), primarily.

60 posted on 05/24/2006 5:45:09 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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