Cars run on water: Miracle or scam?

World Net Daily, CNN ^ | 05-20-06

[floridaobserver]

Though the developer of a technology that uses water to produce a flammable gas says it provides a solution to high gas prices plaguing the nation, detractors claim the businessman's idea is a scam.

Denny Klein is president of Hydrogen Technologies Applications in Clearwater, Fla. His patented machine uses an electrical charge to separate the atoms of H2O into HHO, a gas he calls "Aquygen."

"You get a huge energy response," Klein told the Tampa Tribune. "But this gas is very, very safe."

He first used the fuel to power a welding tool, but soon tried it out in a hybrid automobile.

The flame, though on its own registers just 259 degrees Fahrenheit, heats up to the melting point of whatever substance it touches, explained Steve Lusko, project manager for Hydrogen Technologies Applications.

"For example, when you ignite our flame and touch it to steel, it will cut right through it at 1,400 degrees," Lusko told WND.

"It will melt a hole right through a brick at 4,500 degrees. … It reacts to whatever it touches."

So, Lusko says, the gas has the ability to bond to whatever fuel it is mixed with, like gasoline in a hybrid car.

"Upon combustion, you get a dramatic increase in energy BTUs," he said, "and you get an equally dramatic decrease in emission pollution, because the burn is so highly efficient, what would have come out of the tailpipe as an emission ends up getting burned up and used."

An "electrolyzer" in Klein's 1994 Ford Escort uses electricity from the alternator to initiate the electrolysis process to make the HHO gas out of water, explained Lusko. That gas is then pumped to the manifold and into the gas tank.

"The gas then bonds with the gasoline in the gas tank," Lusko said, "and then upon combustion, that's when you get the reaction, giving you higher gas mileage and cleaner emissions."

Why not run a car with exclusively HHO gas?

"We have combustion engines here that have run completely on our Aquygen," Lusko said, "but it would be a matter of engineering."

Lusko says in tests the mileage of the hybrid vehicle has improved anywhere from 25 to 53 percent.

[JustDoItAlways]

The infamous "water-powered car" scam.

The scam doesn't end until they start breaking securities laws (which they usually have carefully avoided) or someone sues them for fraud (and even then it can continue for several years.)

[MarineBrat]

[CougarGA7]

Dont mean to nitpick, but H2SO4 is Sulfuric acid.

Hydrochloric is HCl

[jbwbubba]

"But also, bear in mind that the US Military uses a lot of fuel. If this existed, the DoD would be switching BIG TIME. The inventor couldn't stop them. The military, IIRC, are not bound by patent law."


Actually according to some other stories, this guy is actually working with military to create some test models for the Pentagon.

[The Enlightener]

Dont mean to nitpick, but H2SO4 is Sulfuric acid.

Doh! I was thinking sulfuric acid. I though that was what I wrote. Sorry.

[kingu]

Let's count the number of danger signs here - A video report that shows emissions changes, but no mention of actual fuel savings. If I get a tuneup that results in another mile per gallon, I'm crowing to all my friends, not touting the emissions reduction.

Then there's multilevel marketing. If I owned this, would I bother, if it worked? Absolutely not. I'd have Chevron on the phone right then, finding out if they wouldn't mind buying a billion gallons a year as an additive to their retail fuel sales. Oh, and it'll be double the price if they want the exclusive rights to use it, otherwise BP will have it next week.

And at 12 cents a gallon extra, even at $3.50 a gallon for gas, the savings have to exceed 5 percent to be even viable, if you somehow used it exactly as directed, which most people won't.

But if you're already involved in it, I would do exactly what I suggest - approach a local independant gas station owner, talk to them about adding it to the main tanks, and advertising the advantages. The added price per gallon they can charge would cover the extra costs, and you'd get one hell of a commission.

[noncommie]

It's a scam until they publish a paper with the reaction mechanism and the amount of energy it takes to create HH0...and keep it stable."

Technically, it would have to be a "peer-reviewed" paper, but yes.

That's the difference between science and magic. Real science isn't something that a bunch of nincompoops sit around and ARGUE about; it's something that you TEST and either prove or disprove.

If this were real, there would have been a peer-reviewed paper, and people all over the country would be saying: "Yep, we were able to do the same thing, and it we got exactly the same result as the wizard engineer who invented the thing."

Some people are smarter than others; there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But it's frankly appalling to me how many people alive today don't have a CLUE how technology works. 500 years ago, there would be an excuse for this kind of confusion, but not in this day and age.

[CougarGA7]

No problem. Didn't want you to get flamed for that. You make some real good points in your post.

[floridaobserver]

Another Fox News report


http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv

[azhenfud]

My cousin Jack once filled the tank of his mom's '67 Cougar with unchlorinated water from the garden hose.

Saved her a heap on gas until she got it fixed - but Jack got the most mileage from that one....

[1955Ford]

I watched the CNN video. It is ridiculous. it seems that they were just burning hydrogen gas and lying about it. the narrator obviously knows nothing about science or chemistry and was easily fooled. he didn't ask a single hard question. what a fool.

[Petronski]

But will it harm their precious bodily fluids?

They will be sapped and impurified.

[LRS]

It's gotta be real. - I saw Jethro do this on The Beverly Hillbillies.

And I saw a guy on "One Step Beyond" fill a car with water, drop in a tablet, and away he went...

[gleeaikin]

ping

[7thson]

Teddy's car?

[RightWingAtheist]

Wasn't this a David Mamet play?

[PAR35]

I don't think they are talking about dihydrogen monoxide. It sounds more like hydrogen hydroxide.

It also sounds like a scam.

[true_blue_texican]

Hey shield, you got any links for that battery kit?

Thanks

[doc30]

Total Scam...Aside from not even being real chemistry, the article is self contradictory. If this gas in a flame 'reacts' with whatever it touches, like burning holes in bricks ot steel, why aren't the cylinders and pistons in his car consumed by the same reaction.

My guess is that he is hydrolyzing the water into hydrogen and oxygen and feeding these gases into his carburator or fuel injector. SO e is taking energy from the generator to make more fuel for the engine.

[longshadow]

Wasn't this a David Mamet play?

"Glengarry/Glenross"?

;-)

Or perhaps you're thinking of "The Spanish Prisoner"