Posted on 05/23/2006 8:34:41 AM PDT by notes2005
With the Senate headed toward a final vote on an immigration bill this week, a leader of House conservatives is asking his colleagues to support a free-market plan aimed at bridging the gulf between the versions in the two chambers. The proposal by Rep.Mike Pence (R-Ind.), provided to TIME ahead of an unveiling speech at the Heritage Foundation, is arguably less compassionate than the version being debated in the Senate and supported in principle by President George W. Bush.But it looks to be more palatable to House Republicans, many of whom have opposed creating a guest worker program before new border crackdowns have been given a chance to work.
Pence, a rising star in the House, is suggesting a temporary worker program based on a data base run by private industry. And unlike the leading plan in the Senate and the blueprint sketched by Bush, his “Border Integrity and Immigration Reform Act” would require all applicants to leave the country first.Pence tweaks a phrase from Bush’s address to the nation by calling the compromise “a REAL rational middle ground.” Even though Bush has said his preferred solution “ain’t amnesty,” Pence appeals to hard-liners by calling the compromise a “no-amnesty solution.”
“The solution is to set up a system that will encourage illegal aliens to self-deport and come back legally as guest workers,” Pence, the grandson of an Irish immigrant, says in prepared remarks. “The visa will be issued only outside of the United States.Outside of the United States. That is a key point because it is the provision that will require the twelve million illegal aliens to leave. Now, some of you are thinking to yourselves that 12 million people aren’t going to pack up and leave just to get a visa to come back legally. But,I believe most will.”
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ANY alien here illegally has BY DEFINITION engaged in multiple forms of fraud--so they most definitely HAVE engaged in "years of illegality". Deport them all, and make them go to the tail end of the line. I don't care HOW successful they might have been in their criminality.
"One issue voter" here. /sarc This aint RINO material, thais is what a whole lot of us want. This solution after boarder security and all will be well, imho.
I worded that poorly. The senate bill presumes that if you've been here 5 years, you have "assimilated". What I'm saying is that assimilation is not the same as "how many years you have been".
That's what I meant by "having NOTHING to do with "years of illegality". I agree that they've been here illegally.
Hardly. I don't see him giving amnesty and a path to citizenship for illegals already here. And for all the folks who say you cannot deport 12 million people, well, Pence is working on figuring out how to get them to self-deport.
For you to say anything but "I want Mexican immigration (illegal or legal) greatly reduced, regardless of whether they want to assimilate or become permanent citizens" is contemptibly dishonest.
Hey, you forgot to call us Stormfronters while you were at it.
Sorry, but the only contemptable dishonesty I have seen on this thread has been from you.
“The solution is to set up a system that will encourage illegal aliens to self-deport and come back legally as guest workers”
They should self-deport or else be forced to deport, and get in line like everyone else who is waiting to live in the United States. To suggest that most of the illegal aliens currently living in the USA would like to self-deport is wishful thinking. Why should they. The US, and by extension the Congress, have neither the will or the means to force them to do so.
The wages for these kinds of jobs that employers are constantly pleading for guest workers to fill are jobs that have seen a decrease in wages over the last several years.
They haven't been so desperate that they raised wages to entice new applicants and keep their old employees.
Guest worker programs are an assault on the blue collar worker.
Then you didn't read far enough into the article.
His plan includes all the security measures of the bill that has already passed the House, and adds a provision for guest worker visas would be good for two years.
What is this, but amnesty for those already here?
And when these millions of illegals don't sign onto Pence's program? What then?
Sorry, but the only contemptable dishonesty I have seen on this thread has been from you.
Again, you didn't read far enough into the article.
Because of the greed of the employers themselves.
Their greed killed the Bracero program because they hired Mexican braceros at sub-standard wages in order to increase profits and in the process displaced American workers. This was strictly against the terms of the program and as a result, the farm workers union got the government to kill the Bracero program.
Compassionate to whom? Certainly not the AMERICAN People.
Of course not. To the Republipuke and Democrap parties, the American people are marks to be fleeced.
Of course. And that is the answer to the question:
"Why do we need guest workers?"
Answer: Employee greed.
And I dare anyone to argue otherwise.
Geez, Staytrue, dropping by just to get a dig in. But what do you think of the plan?
And now to the other side of the equation.
What would be the effect on the economy if all of these illegals disappeared and were replaced by legal American workers being paid industry-standard wages?
Still making no sense, I see.
Ya think
Mexican immigrants walk through the Arizona desert as they attempt to illegally cross the Mexican-US border in April.
Anybody see a problem with this?
And they have to go back to their home countries to apply. I guess you missed that part.
In addition, it does not provide a path to citizenship.
And when these millions of illegals don't sign onto Pence's program? What then?
That is going to a be a problem with any bill that falls short of amnesty.
Gee, maybe those American workers would have more money to spend, thereby increasing consumption? And businesses that play by the rules would not have to deal with those who do not? And government spending on bennies for illegals would drop as well, which would lower the deficit?
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