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Ancient City Reveals Life In Desert 2,200 Years Ago (China - Caucasians)
China Daily ^ | 5-22-2006 | Xinhua

Posted on 05/22/2006 4:11:59 PM PDT by blam

Ancient city reveals life in desert 2,200 years ago

(Xinhua)
Updated: 2006-05-22 14:58

Chinese and French archaeologists claim to have discovered the ruins of an ancient city which disappeared in the desert in Northwest China more than 2,200 years ago.

The ancient city, shaped like a peach, is located in the center of the Taklimakan Desert, the second largest shifting desert in the world, covering a total area of 337,600 square kilometers, in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

The perimeter of the city walls is 995 meters, with the height ranging from three meters to 11 meters. Archaeologists found traces of city gates and passages at the southern and eastern walls.

The city walls were built from branches of poplar trees and branches of the Chinese tamarisk, a kind of willow. A protective slope was created outside the city walls and filled with branches, reeds, silt and dung of domesticated animals.

The Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Regional Archaeological Research Institute and the Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique of France jointly launched an archaeological program in 1993.

They aimed to explore the Keriya River Valley area, a river that originates in the glaciers on the northern slope of the Kunlun Mountains and flows more than 860 kilometers before disappearing in the sand in the Taklimakan Desert.

"Our biggest success was the discovery of the ancient city in 1994," said Idilis Abdurensule, a research fellow with the Xinjiang archaeological research institute.

Chinese and French archaeologists made five excavations at the site of the ancient city from 1993 to the end of 2005. Both sides began studying their findings since the beginning of this year and have made some progress in their research, Abdurensule told Xinhua on Monday.

Carbon dating by French archaeologists shows that the city wall dated back 2,200 years.

"We think the city had disappeared before the Western Han Dynasty (206 B.C.-25 A.D.) as we did not discover any relics of Western Han and of the historical periods after the Western Han," said Abdurensule, adding this was the oldest city ever discovered in Xinjiang.

In the late 19th century, ruins of a Tang Dynasty (618-907) town were found in an area about 200 kilometers south of this ancient city, and the ruins of a town of the Han Dynasty (206 B.C. to 220 AD) to the Jin Dynasty (265-420) period were discovered in an area 43 kilometers south of this ancient city.

The Uygurs of Yutian County, 300 kilometers south of the ancient city, call the area where the ancient city was found "Youmulakekum", meaning "round sand", leading the archaeologists to name the ancient city "The Old City of Round Sand". But unlike the other ancient cities discovered in the area, the Round Sand city can not be found in any historical documents.

Archaeologists discovered more than 20 tombs in the areas around the city, only three of which remained intact. In one of the tombs, the bodies of two males, sporting pigtails and wigs, were found facing each other. In two others, a man and a woman were found in each.

French archaeologists said the corpses dated back 2,100 years according to C14 dating, and the four people belonged to the Caucasoid group of the Caucasian race. However, they could not explain where the people were from.

Generally speaking, the Caucasoid group mainly live in Europe, West Asia and northern Africa.

The people wore woolen fabric and leather clothes. They also had ornaments on their clothes, which were made of wolf hide and some of them had ornaments on hats and waistbands. One woman was wearing a red agate ornament around her neck and leather gloves and ornaments made of shell.

The findings show that these people were skillful in textiles, and they used wool from sheep and camels to make clothes, said Corinne Debaine Francfort, a French scholar who participated in the excavation.

The people could dye wool into bright red, yellow, blue, purple, black, white and coffee by using dyestuff from plants, minerals and even from insects, said Francfort.

The Round Sand city could have been a place where goods from west and east were traded, said Francfort, saying "Agate ornaments could have come from the West and shell ornaments from the East."

Archaeologists also found skeletons of many animals which, according to archaeologists, show that the animal husbandry, fishery and hunting were very important parts of the lives of the people.

Irrigation ditches were also found in the areas around the city ruins, which show Round Sand people had developed irrigated farming, said French archaeologist Henri Paul Francfort, adding that they also found traces of wheat and millet, many different-sized saddle-shaped millstones and numerous caches for storing grain inside the city.

The residential areas were located in the northern part of the Round Sand city. "Almost all the things in the city were made from poplar trees, including the city walls, city gates, houses and tombs, and also the daily necessities such as wooden barrels, bowls and combs," said Abdurensule. "They also used poplar tree branches to cook meals and produce heating during winter. However, not a single poplar tree can be found in the area today."

Archaeologists did not find any trace of written materials, symbols or anything that could tell the history of the city.

Based on analysis of satellite pictures and on-the-spot investigations, archaeologists found that the Round Sand area used to be covered by many rivers and thick forest, a home to 98 kinds of wild vertebrate, said Ma Ming, a research fellow with the Xinjiang Ecological and Geological Research Institute of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

As for the reason behind the city's disappearance, Abdurensule explained that the Keriya River had retreated gradually due to the expansion of desert and the local environment had deteriorated due to the excessive felling of trees. The people had to move to other places to survive.

The result is that the city was not recorded and today's people can not know its religion, social organizations, language and origin, Abdurensule said.

The final report on the discovery of the Round Sand city is expected to come out next year.


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"As for the reason behind the city's disappearance, Abdurensule explained that the Keriya River had retreated gradually due to the expansion of desert and the local environment had deteriorated due to the excessive felling of trees."

This is BS. The whole region was in a drought and the people were crowded around the glacier fed rivers. When the glaciers eventually completely melted (end of Ice Age) the rivers dried up and the people had to move. (Source: The Tarim Mummies, professor Victor Mair)

My guess is that these are the Tocharians. The Tocharian language is and extinct Indo-European language that is most closely related to the Ancient Celtic languages.

1 posted on 05/22/2006 4:12:02 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

More of these people.

The Curse Of The Red-Headed Muumy

2 posted on 05/22/2006 4:14:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Did they find the remnants of a doggie theme park?..........



3 posted on 05/22/2006 4:17:45 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: blam

Temujin, Chingghis Quan was reputed to have reddish hair, and green eyes.


4 posted on 05/22/2006 5:07:46 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: blam

Verry interesting as Arty Johnson used to say. First we find that white folks were the original native americans, now we find that we were also the native chinese.


5 posted on 05/22/2006 5:37:27 PM PDT by Mogollon
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam.

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6 posted on 05/22/2006 10:15:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Mogollon

We are your overlords.


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"The Celts"

LOL!


7 posted on 05/22/2006 10:30:29 PM PDT by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: blam
When the glaciers eventually completely melted (end of Ice Age) the rivers dried up and the people had to move.

I think you mis-read the dates involved here..
You've made it some 20,000 years older than it was..

The article states the city existed "more than 2,200 years ago" which would put it just before the time of Christ..

However, the evidence of "europeans" in the area as late as 2,200 years ago might indicate that such people were common in the area, and had been for a long time..

8 posted on 05/22/2006 10:40:33 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: PzLdr
I've looked for a link to that factoid for a long time, ever since I first read about it in one of Leo Frankowski's science-fiction books a long time ago.

You wouldn't happen to have one, or a print reference, would you?
9 posted on 05/23/2006 9:30:05 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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To: Drammach
"I think you mis-read the dates involved here.."
"You've made it some 20,000 years older than it was.."

I don't understand, I didn't do anything, lol.

Now, (I will) there is at least one archaeologist (N. Narain) who thinks all Europeans have their origins in this area and migrated to Europe from this region.
The graves were all Caucasian up until about 100-200BC and then they began to slowly change to mixed Mongoloid/Caucasian. There were still Caucasian only graveyards in the region all the way up to the 1300's AD.

The DNA studies of professor Dr Stephen Oppenheimer indicate that about 50% of today's Europeans can trace their ancestors to one man from the Indus Valley who made his way to Europe through the Middle East.
The other 50% of Europeans can trace their origins to a son of the same man who made his way to Europe through Russia a thousand years later.

10 posted on 05/23/2006 10:14:50 AM PDT by blam
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To: PzLdr

Just like King David.


11 posted on 05/23/2006 1:24:01 PM PDT by S0122017
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To: chesley
I just checked my library, and couldn't find it, but I have read it. It might have been in a more generalized book about the peoples of Asia, as opposed to Chingghis Quan, himself.

What I did find were contemporary references [cited by the authors] to 'catlike eyes'. That tells me they're not brown, but are probably anywhere from green to hazel. Hope that helps.
12 posted on 05/23/2006 2:45:12 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

I think the real question here is where the Asians and the native Americans came from. Since we white folks aren't the main race there now, doesn't that also mean that we got our butts kicked by them once? Manifest destiny started before 'we' coined the phrase it seems.


13 posted on 05/24/2006 6:47:36 AM PDT by DavemeisterP (It's never too late to be what you might have been....George Elliot)
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To: blam
The DNA studies of professor Dr Stephen Oppenheimer indicate that about 50% of today's Europeans can trace their ancestors to one man from the Indus Valley who made his way to Europe through the Middle East.

Re: Indus Valley man, any date reference on that?
Just guessing, I would say before the last Ice Age..
That would be more than likely the 1st major expansion of mankind to the European mainland and north..

The other 50% of Europeans can trace their origins to a son of the same man who made his way to Europe through Russia a thousand years later.

Here, I look to the isolated pocket of Ice Age survivors in the Caucasus Mountains..
The area was effectively isolated for a long enough period for marked genetic change.. ( inbreeding? ) of a fairly isolated group of humans..
Red or blond hair, blue or green eyes, all recessives..

At the end of the Ice age, I expect one will find that this group spread out both east and west, possibly taking advantage of skills learned while in isolation..
The most important of those skills may have been the idea of domesticating horses.. ( I'm suggesting it started there, not that it was perfected.. )

I think that it will be found that the period of expansion from the end of the Ice Age will accurately correspond with the earliest settlements by "caucasians" in the area now known as China..
I am also very interested in your idea of a second advanced group moving north from the submerged remains of Indonesia.. ( Sundaland? ) I would guess that both expansions would have coincided at approximately the same period in history..

It is only (relatively) recently that the beginnings of civilization, nation-hood, group identity and territorialism have been introduced, along with somewhat outrageous claims of some groups that they have "always" inhabited a certain region..
I'm sure the Chinese are not the only ones that have many surprises coming concerning their past..

14 posted on 05/24/2006 11:57:09 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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15 posted on 05/25/2006 11:03:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
In one of the tombs, the bodies of two males, sporting pigtails and wigs, were found facing each other. In two others, a man and a woman were found in each.

A little boost for the gay crowd.

16 posted on 05/25/2006 11:12:13 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: blam

What distinguishes the Caucasoid from the Chinese?

I have seen many Chinese who are whiter and more "caucasoid" than whites. The only thing "oriental" is the less than "round eyes" which I think is inherited from the Mongols.


17 posted on 05/25/2006 11:16:23 PM PDT by Prost1 (We can build a wall, we can evict - "Si, se puede!")
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To: Drammach
Take this Journey Of Mankind developed by Stepehen Oppenheimer from DNA studies, it'll probably answer most of your questions.

BTW, the 'Sundaland' ideas come from Oppenheimer too.

18 posted on 05/26/2006 4:28:52 AM PDT by blam
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To: PzLdr
"It might have been in a more generalized book about the peoples of Asia, as opposed to Chingghis Quan, himself."

There are Chinese poems lamenting the green eyes of the Han emperors and they are also reported to have had 'magic men' with red hair.

19 posted on 05/26/2006 4:31:34 AM PDT by blam
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"I think the real question here is where the Asians and the native Americans came from."

The oldest (undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton ever found is only 10k years old. (Oppenheimer). This may explain why the oldest skeleton found in the Americas are of a non-Mongoloid variety. (Kennewick Man - Spirit Cave Man, etc)

20 posted on 05/26/2006 4:34:59 AM PDT by blam
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