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New Clues to the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
LiveScience via Yahoo ^ | 5/19/06 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 05/19/2006 9:12:53 PM PDT by ZGuy

Weather experts have "hindcasted" the storm that sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald on Lake Superior during the November 1975.

Hurricane-force gusts and waves coming from an unexpected angle likely contributed to the disaster immortalized by Gordon Lightfoot in the song, "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald," researchers say.

All 29 crewmembers died.

"During the late afternoon and early evening of Nov. 10, conditions deteriorated rapidly with winds in excess of 69 mph, hurricane-force gusts [over 74 mph] and waves more than 25 feet high," said Thomas Hultquist, science and operations officer at the NOAA National Weather Service forecast office in Negaunee, Mich.

The freighter, thought like the Titanic to be invincible, was heading south. Waves were traveling west-to-east, the new analysis shows. This could have created a hazardous rolling motion. The ship sank about 15 miles from Whitefish Bay.

Lake Superior is the largest of the Great Lakes.

"While high winds on Lake Superior are not rare, it is unusual for the waves to get that high on the lake," said Schwab. "It's unlikely that Captain Ernest McSorley, the skipper of the Edmund Fitzgerald, had ever seen anything like that in his career."

The findings are detailed in the May issue of the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: edmundfitzgerald; gordonlightfoot; lakesuperior; shipwreck; soolocks
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1 posted on 05/19/2006 9:12:53 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

ruin the song they did...


2 posted on 05/19/2006 9:14:07 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: ZGuy
The ship sank about 15 miles from Whitefish Bay.

Yup..."They'd have made Whitefish Bay, if they'd put 15 more miles behind her."

3 posted on 05/19/2006 9:15:27 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: kinoxi
ruin the song they did...

indeed. is nothing sacred?
4 posted on 05/19/2006 9:17:01 PM PDT by Jaysun (Even with a paddle, shit creek ain't no picnic.)
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To: ZGuy

What about the Andrea Doria? My neighbor was a survivor of that one?


5 posted on 05/19/2006 9:18:16 PM PDT by Clemenza (Populists Socialists, AND YANKEES FANS Will be Shot on Site)
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To: ZGuy

One of the Coast Guard officers on duty that night had spent most of his career in the North Atlantic -- and he said he had never seen seas in the Atlantic like he saw on Lake Superior that night as they searched in vain for survivors.


6 posted on 05/19/2006 9:18:48 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: ZGuy

A mariner in Milwaukee once told me that the Great Lakes were harder than any ocean he'd ever sailed. Not only can the waves get pretty damn high, the wave frequency is higher than the ocean. A ship can literally have the bolts pounded out of it because there's not enough space in between the waves to roll.


7 posted on 05/19/2006 9:19:41 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

"The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" ping.


8 posted on 05/19/2006 9:20:34 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: bannie
In a musty old hall in Detroy-it they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

9 posted on 05/19/2006 9:21:23 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: ZGuy
As big freighters go, she was bigger than most. With a crew and a captain well-seasoned.
10 posted on 05/19/2006 9:21:58 PM PDT by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: Spruce

Gordon Lightfoot


11 posted on 05/19/2006 9:22:51 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Petronski
YUP!!

Great song!

12 posted on 05/19/2006 9:23:39 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Jaysun

Great song.

I was a little surprised to find out a few years later that it was based on fact; I figured it was just a song for a couple of years.

Whatever happened to Gordon Lightfoot anyway?


13 posted on 05/19/2006 9:25:35 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: July 4th
Lake Superior and Lake Huron (if not the rest) are essentially inland seas.

W.
14 posted on 05/19/2006 9:26:00 PM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: July 4th

Yep. If your ever in the area visit....
http://www.exploringthenorth.com/shipmus/shipmuseum.html


15 posted on 05/19/2006 9:26:03 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: July 4th

The reason is, from wave crest to wave crest, the wavelength is shorter, the boat can not ride up and down the waves. The weight of the boat usually fractures as the front and back rest on each wave 'peak'. We had a small boat on Lake Michigan, and we've been in conditions where 25 foot waves started within 30 minutes, even when monitoring the weather. We always knew where the 'safe' places were. Islands and coves and whatnot. Lake Superior is more dangerous, since it's an east-west mostly lake and the waves can whip up faster because winds generally come from the west. Lake Michigan is North-south.


16 posted on 05/19/2006 9:27:26 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: Clemenza

The Andrea Doria was rammed in the side by a Swedish freighter in heavy fog.


17 posted on 05/19/2006 9:27:57 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ZGuy
I was a barracks Sgt. at Keesler AFB in Nov 75'and had to sign an emergency leave for one of my men who lost a close relative on the Edmund Fitzgerald. Ironic how a disaster so far away affects so many.
18 posted on 05/19/2006 9:28:36 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: ZGuy
What's "new" about this analysis? Thirty foot waves aren't unheard of, for that time of the year. And the waves moving West
to East? Gee, there's this phenonmenon called the "prevailing winds" that help create the waves that come out of the West...

That's not to mention the ship that was trailing about 10 miles astern, so there was some log notations about radio
and radar contact. And the loss of contact.

So, they're saying that the captain didn't pay attention to the wind and water conditions, apparently.

19 posted on 05/19/2006 9:28:41 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: ZGuy
http://ams.allenpress.com/pdfserv/10.1175%2FBAMS-87-5-607

Rexamination of the 9-10 November 1975 "Edmund Fitzgerald" Storm Using Today's Technology .pdf

20 posted on 05/19/2006 9:28:58 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 ( http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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