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To: lauriehelds

As a federal employee, I completely disagree with this bogus "study." We don't make big bucks in the federal government, I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!


2 posted on 05/19/2006 4:26:48 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone

It's not the big bucks. It's the four to six weeks vacation, generous health benefits, and defined benefit pension. All benefits that largely do not exist any more in the private sector.


3 posted on 05/19/2006 4:28:40 PM PDT by lauriehelds
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Describe briefly your pension. How long do you need to work to get X % of your salary?


6 posted on 05/19/2006 4:29:49 PM PDT by listenhillary (The original Contract with America - The U.S. Constitution)
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I totally agree with the secure job part. Too secure. I could tell you stories...!
But the overpaid? Only for the ones who get to go to work and laze around. My civil service husband is a hyper workaholic who loves to get things done. and is way underpaid (abt $4-5/hr according to local studies) but stays for the job security.


7 posted on 05/19/2006 4:30:43 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (Accurate headline "INVADERS DEMAND....")
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Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!

I highly doubt it. The government produces precious little value for the astronomical quantities of money it spends.

The "worth" of an employee is the value they generate, and there is not much value generating going on in government these days.

9 posted on 05/19/2006 4:33:05 PM PDT by tortoise
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If you take account of extremely generous public-sector pension plans, much more (usually) paid vacation and "personal " days, and the most guaranteed job security outside of academic tenure, public sector employees DO have a very cushy deal. Indeed, outside of "Fortune 500" companies that have relatively generous benefits, most of us in the private sector have far weaker benefits, pensions, and job (in)security than everyone that WE pay for in the public sector. Regardless of what your actual salary figures may be, you have it good, very good.


11 posted on 05/19/2006 4:34:09 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Poundstone

As a federal employee, I completely disagree with this bogus "study." We don't make big bucks in the federal government, I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!



As an active duty guy...I do too!!! I have worked with may government servants and NEVER thought that they made too much money. 100,000 average...obviously they are counting the over paid Senate and House.


12 posted on 05/19/2006 4:35:03 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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I am also a Federal worker. I am not at the top and I have done my time at the bottom GS3-3.85PH buy if you want to see where the government spends money look at contractors, Thats where the real money is. IBM got paid something like $2B to replace the Air Traffic Control system and backed out and kept the money!
27 posted on 05/19/2006 5:02:24 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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Why don't you post your salary, vacation time, sick time, etc?

Let's compare salaries.


31 posted on 05/19/2006 5:03:37 PM PDT by I got the rope
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It probably varies by discipline.
But I've got two chemist friends from college that ended up with the EPA.
Compared to private industry...they are cleaning up.
Both had just a bachelors in Chemistry from a small church-affiliated college and
I doubt they could have done as well financially, given the ups and downs
of the chemical industry in the USA.


38 posted on 05/19/2006 5:08:46 PM PDT by VOA
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I contract out through the Federal Government, and because of their union regulations, any company that contracts with them, must pay an equitable rate to what their Government workers make. I can tell you, for my job, their is no where in my geographic area that pays nearly what I make.

I am not trying to call you out, because I have no idea what you do, and I am sure you are worth every penny you make. But from my experience (I get to physically see the quality of work that my Government counterparts do), they are no where near as qualified as the people in my company. I don't mean to brag, but I must maintain at least a 95% perfection rate, or I could lose my job, and from the completed work that I see, from their end, if they reach a 45% correct rate it would be amazing.

43 posted on 05/19/2006 5:11:56 PM PDT by codercpc
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To: Poundstone
As a federal employee, I completely disagree with this bogus "study." We don't make big bucks in the federal government, I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!

That's bullcrap. Federal pensions are fantastic. Same for medical

44 posted on 05/19/2006 5:12:30 PM PDT by dennisw
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Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!

I guess it depends on the position and the tasks one must do but I used to pick up my hubby whenever I could get off early after working a mgt job of 10 hour per day average. If I wasn't there at 5:00pm on the dot he'd catch the bus. His job as a clerk (clerks in my work area made $15.00 per hour) paid $68,000 per year plus overtime, plus fully paid 1/2 wage retirement, plus flex time, Plus accumulated sick and vacation, plus child care, plus, plus, plus and plus. He retired at 50 and I'm still working my butt of. If I had it to do over I'd work for government. Private sec tor is way under government in compensation.

If I went out the door daily at exactly 5pm I wouldn't have a job for long.


48 posted on 05/19/2006 5:15:18 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey (what support is Sinclair giving to a candidate)
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Surely, you jest....!


64 posted on 05/19/2006 5:24:38 PM PDT by dakine
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As a federal employee, I completely disagree with this bogus "study." We don't make big bucks in the federal government, I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!

What do you pay for health benefits? When I worked for the State of California it was dang near mothing. When I left, I needed a $10k/year raise just to make a lateral net move.

82 posted on 05/19/2006 5:37:29 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Governor of California, another job Americans won't do.)
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I completely disagree with this bogus "study." We don't make big bucks in the federal government, I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!

What about your pension plan? How long do you have to work before collecting benefits? How much as a percent of pay do you contribute? What is the payout as a percent of salary? Is the payout indexed for cost of living adjustments?

How about health insurance? What do Fed workers pay a month for a family? What are the co-pays and deductibles?

I'm not down of Fed employees by any means and think most are talented and hard working. But there are many ways to be compensated aside from take-home pay. And the fact that very few Fed employees "move on" for better pay must say something. I have never met a USPS employee who didn't hate his job with a passion, and I also don't know one who ever quit that job.

96 posted on 05/19/2006 5:50:52 PM PDT by Ditto
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I have no doubt that you work hard. I just came off of a consulting gig with a Federal agency and previous to that I had never seen such a bunch of self-absorbed slackers in my entire life.


134 posted on 05/19/2006 6:27:02 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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federal worker earned $100,178 in 2004, compared to $51,876 in salary and benefits for the average private-sector worker.
I agree with the results of this study. Federal employees are very well compensated for what they do.
141 posted on 05/19/2006 6:34:45 PM PDT by Whispering Smith
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"We don't make big bucks in the federal government, I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!"

I don't know you, but I really don't have to. Chances are you are underworked, overpaid and not really qualified for the job that you compare yourself to in the private sector.

I know this to be a fact as once upon a time I was a gov't employee. That's the way it is. You best keep your mouth shut and enjoy the free ride as long as you can. Out in the real world, you'll be eaten alive.

Those who can get jobs outside of gov't often do. Those in gov't do not because they cannot. There are, of course notable exceptions, but there is really no debate necessary here. You are overpaid, underworked and the only disconnect is in your mind.


156 posted on 05/19/2006 7:19:09 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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"Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!"

Baloney. The government is a bloated beyond belief. We could eliminate 99% of federal "jobs" (including yours) and we'd all be better off.

163 posted on 05/19/2006 7:24:19 PM PDT by Godebert
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" I assure you. Believe me, the taxpayers are getting their money's worth!"

Gee thanks, that makes me feel a lot better about the bloated pig that is the U.S. government. :)


181 posted on 05/19/2006 7:40:46 PM PDT by dljordan
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