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Pay Gap: A Different Take (Government workers overpaid)
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Posted on 05/19/2006 4:25:10 PM PDT by lauriehelds

The pay gap between private and public sector employees seems to be a given. Just this week, 10 congressmen made their case for a higher 2007 civilian pay raise than President Bush has requested by citing a 30 percent private-public gap reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

"The federal government may never be able to compete with the private sector, dollar for dollar, but we must ensure that we do not fall further behind in the battle for talent," Reps. Tom Davis, R-Va.; Jon Porter, R-Nev.; Steny Hoyer, D-Md.; Chris Van Hollen, D-Md., and others said in a letter to fellow members.

But a new paper from the libertarian Washington-based think tank the Cato Institute argues that the pay gap actually travels in the other direction. Pointedly titled "Federal Pay Outpaces Private-Sector Pay," the paper by Chris Edwards, the institute's director of tax policy studies, makes the case for freezing government salaries.

By bundling federal benefits -- including defined pensions, the Thrift Savings Plan and health care subsidies -- together with wages, Edwards calculated that the average federal worker earned $100,178 in 2004, compared to $51,876 in salary and benefits for the average private-sector worker. Those numbers were based on statistics from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

"The federal civilian workforce has become an elite island of secure and high-paid workers, separated from the ocean of private-sector American workers who must compete in today's dynamic economy," Edwards wrote.

In an interview, Edwards said he is trying to stir the pot on an issue that has no real adversaries. Federal employee unions are so vocal on pay issues, and Washington-area congressmen, including Republicans like Davis, who chairs the Government Reform Committee, are loyal to the many federally employed voters in their districts, Edwards said.

He said he suspects the BLS studies that find such a marked pay gap, and which do not take benefits into account, are flawed.

"There are questions about how these comparisons are done," Edwards said. "If you, say, look at a government lawyer versus a private lawyer, or accountants, the responsibilities and the hours worked per week can be quite radically different."

Most compelling, he argued, is the quit rate for federal employees, which is quite low and suggests that workers are satisfied with their pay.

Edwards said in his paper that some academic studies have found government workers to be overpaid, but his citation is a 1985 study by Steven Venti at the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Why did he pull from a 20-year-old study? Because, he said, there has been so much agreement in recent years on the pay gap that no one has bothered to complete an updated independent analysis.


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To: lauriehelds
Another advantage government employees enjoy is that unused sick days add up, which can be a nice departure bonus.

My guess is that the only ones not paid as well as private-sector counterparts are the highest ranking employees.
21 posted on 05/19/2006 4:52:53 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: BW2221

Public sector employees lack the opportunities presented in the private sector.


22 posted on 05/19/2006 4:56:10 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: lauriehelds
What do you mean by "personal days"? For a federal employee that has absolutely no meaning at all and is considered one of those funny little things that goes on in the non-government work sector.

All a federale gets is ANNUAL LEAVE, and SICK LEAVE.

23 posted on 05/19/2006 4:56:32 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

If you are with the gubmit 15 years, you get 26 annual leave days a year.

Add that to 10 federal holidays and that's 36 days off.

NOT including the 13 sick or personal days you earn each year that adds up and can be carried from year to year.

OR the 30 days of vacation time that can be carried over from year to year.


24 posted on 05/19/2006 4:58:38 PM PDT by lauriehelds
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To: BW2221
BTW, federal sick leave is not paid back upon departure or retirement. Again, this is something that happens in the private sector.

Under current rules you can convert any remaining CSRS sick leave into time served for retirement annuity purposes, but any remaining FERS sick leave is simply lost.

I donated about 1700 hours worth of sick leave to the people of the United States as an "extra tax" when I retired. (Gad do I despise ungrateful gift recipients).

25 posted on 05/19/2006 5:00:09 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: lauriehelds

10 holidays, and you get what, 8 holidays? Plus, your employer provides you with free parking.


26 posted on 05/19/2006 5:01:46 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Poundstone
I am also a Federal worker. I am not at the top and I have done my time at the bottom GS3-3.85PH buy if you want to see where the government spends money look at contractors, Thats where the real money is. IBM got paid something like $2B to replace the Air Traffic Control system and backed out and kept the money!
27 posted on 05/19/2006 5:02:24 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: lauriehelds
Edwards calculated that the average federal worker earned $100,178 in 2004, compared to $51,876 in salary and benefits for the average private-sector worker.

So they're comparing the mostly white-collar government personell with the white- and blue-collar private sector? They could be playing with numbers with how they define each group.

28 posted on 05/19/2006 5:02:49 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: lauriehelds

BTW, no federal government employee gets anything called "personal days". Most smart employees save up their sick leave for that heartattack they're going to have in 30 years after listening to all this whining by private sector probate lawyers.


29 posted on 05/19/2006 5:02:50 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

Gov't service used to be a noble thing. Now it is viewed by some in the public who are insecure about their own jobs as some kind of scam...pathetic.


30 posted on 05/19/2006 5:03:12 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Poundstone

Why don't you post your salary, vacation time, sick time, etc?

Let's compare salaries.


31 posted on 05/19/2006 5:03:37 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: durasell

The "opportunities" are a gamble. You can work 50 - 60 hours a week for 10 years and suddenly lose your job because of a merger, relocation or a new management team that wants to clean house. In the Federal government Civil Service eliminates all worries except things like base closings.

I know from my days in the Air Force that Civil Service also protects underachievers.


32 posted on 05/19/2006 5:04:22 PM PDT by BW2221
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To: mountainlyons
Yes, and many government contractors have managed to infiltrate the CATO Institute with their former employees.

Those guys aren't happy with what they are getting and want to get it all, even the COTR's salary if they can.

33 posted on 05/19/2006 5:04:31 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

that's precisely why I refer to sick leave as personal leave.

Because there is no incentive to conserve it in the government, since it is lost if you never use it.....you either use it or lose it....

Sick leave in the gumbit is like added annual leave days for lots and lots of people.


34 posted on 05/19/2006 5:04:51 PM PDT by lauriehelds
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To: BW2221

That's what business is, a gamble. Business is risk, but the rewards for success are enormous. If someone isn't ready to play that game, they've got no business being in business.


35 posted on 05/19/2006 5:06:55 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: BW2221
Air Force definitely protects underachievers. In many other agencies that's not the case.

Concerning job security, I went through 5 or 6 fullscale RIFs, or Reductions in Force. Only 1 of those RIFs was conducted in accordance with law.

So much for security.

36 posted on 05/19/2006 5:07:05 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: lauriehelds

I believe that lawyers rarely go to work for the federal government because the money's better. They go because there is less stress and more time for family. At least that's true for the government attorneys I know.


37 posted on 05/19/2006 5:07:23 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Poundstone

It probably varies by discipline.
But I've got two chemist friends from college that ended up with the EPA.
Compared to private industry...they are cleaning up.
Both had just a bachelors in Chemistry from a small church-affiliated college and
I doubt they could have done as well financially, given the ups and downs
of the chemical industry in the USA.


38 posted on 05/19/2006 5:08:46 PM PDT by VOA
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To: lauriehelds
The USPS regularly fires (and/or prosecutes) people for fraudulent sick leave use.

I've never heard of anyone in the private sector being prosecuted in a federal criminal court for fraudulent "personal day" use.

Remember, a gub'mn't job brings with it the risk of fine, imprisonment and dismissal. A job down at the autoplant is probably never going to send you to jail or bankrupt your wife and kids leaving them in the streets to rot.

Wonder how an economist would value that "risk"?

39 posted on 05/19/2006 5:10:21 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
With the exception of a hitch in the AirForce, I have worked all my life in the private sector. I've never had sick days. I have three personal days a year, but they do not carry over. If you don't take them that year, you lose them. The same holds true for vacation.

One thing to remember is that many private sector firms have cut back benefits in recent years due to global competition. Also, it's not uncommon to have your pay frozen or take a cut if the company is not performing well.
40 posted on 05/19/2006 5:10:30 PM PDT by BW2221
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