Posted on 05/19/2006 5:13:02 AM PDT by IrishMike
Now just where do your think he and his wife's maid and house keeper, was born.???? Remember Clintoon and the problem with those appointees who had maids and had not paid taxes on them. Just about all the politician's in Dc have the same problem, as well as those talking heads on TV.
Don't worry when the sheep have their taxes raised by this they may just wake up. Or maybe I am wrong, I hope not... If I am, we are done.
Lugar, what a damn waste. He's the "senior" senator from IN...you'd never know it he runs around rubber stamping everything evan bayh votes for now. But hoosiers hate change, they'll re-elect him again.
Now why on earth would he do that?
IMO Bush should halt all immigration and all citizenship, and call for a nation wide vote.
I mean, seriously -- he knows what he wants. He makes no secret of it.
And, he's getting it!
So why on earth would he screw things up for himself by asking what WE want?
Remember -- what we ("The People") want isn't any secret either.
The main thing to keep in mind is that we have no political power. Once you realize how totally inert you are as a political force in this country, it makes it easier to take this kind of stuff in stride.
We like to think of ourselves as "the base", but we're only half correct. There are actually TWO "bases" -- the "voting base" (that's us) -- and the "Money Base", comprised of the various lobbyists, "interests", and other deep-pocketed denizens of the Countryclub and The Hallowed Halls.
The "Money Base" has the ear of the Party. They've got the political power. When they talk, DC listens.
Us, on the other hand... we're good for one thing, and one thing only. The message to us boils down to something like, "Shut Up And VOTE!"
The Party doesn't really see any need to earn our votes, because from their perspective, they already OWN our votes.
If we step too far out of line, they'll just crank up the pressure, spook us into "voting for the lesser of two evils". ("You traitor! What are you trying to do, get Hillary elected? You cannot criticize your leaders, you cannot play any 'holding their feet to the fire' games. You must SHUT UP, and you must VOTE! And you know HOW to vote, don't you?")
And, the campaign (to coin a phrase) will work. Maybe not on the likes of you and a few others here, but by and large, it'll work on most of the "voting base", and they'll be duly intimidated, scolded into obedience, and, by their actions they will confirm that The Party really DOES own their votes.
So that's how I see it going down.
And that's why the last thing I ever see happening is a "vote" to allow "the people" to put the kibosh to this thing now that they've finally got things to where they can sucessfully ram it down our throats once and for all.
You ever get the feeling we are being funneled toward a civil war or at the very least civil unrest?
Everything being done is designed to build frustration and rage in the backbone of this country.
Honestly , no one is this stupid, there has to be some kind of design behind destroying this country from within through its own institutions.
There's a hell of a bunch of Senators on Ambian.
No problem.
Maybe won't don't need a fence after all. Maybe we should have voluntary deportation with a carrot. Bush loves to hand out money. Just increase the national debt so we can pay illegals to go back to there own country after all it's just economic. Future enforcement would be handled by border patrol officers just giving potential illegals cash right at the border.
Since March, the Fed no longer releases the "M3" money supply numbers.
What does this mean in English?
It means that they no longer tell us the total amount of dollars in circulation.
And that means that the stage is set for hyperinflation.
"Inflation" is not some arcane index based on the cost of various goods, supplies, and commodities.
"Inflation" is a very simple concept. "Inflation" is the amount by which the total size of the currency has been INFLATED.
Let's do some simple math, with obviously made-up round numbers. It's the principal at play that matters.
Let's say you run a country with a million dollars in currency. You decide that you need more money available, so that you can buy the "loyalty" of some folks you want to attract to your country.
What do you do?
Well, given a variety of realities, it turns out that there really isn't anything you can do.
Your subjects don't want to let go of their money, and if you decide to take it away, they'll make all sorts of mischief, not the least of which would be throwing you out on your ear and putting your cousin Irving on the thrown.
So, you decide to "borrow" a bunch of money to buy the loyalty via "services".
The money you borrow doesn't really exist, so, you have the Royal Treasury print it for you.
You keep this up, buying more and more loyalty and so forth -- and, you keep owing more and more of the "borrowed" money -- so, you print up even more of it to pay back what you borrowed earlier!
After a few years of this, the sheer number of dollars in circulation has grown from a mere million dollars, all the way to several tens of billions of dollars.
In other words, for each original dollar, there are now thousands of "new" dollars in circulation.
But, the "net worth" of the country hasn't changed. The TOTAL value of all the currency added together is still worth the same amount! (You find that out by comparing it to various commodities, such as gold. The amount of gold you used to be able to buy with one dollar now costs you thousands of dollars.)
The SIZE of the currrency has been INFLATED by the addition of all those "new" dollars into circulation.
Sure, "stuff costs more" -- but that's a symptom of a currency that's had it's size INFLATED. It's not how you "find out if there's inflation". Sheesh, if you want to find out if there's inflation, LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE CURRENCY!
But, now, you can't. Not since March.
Funny how that works.
So, I'm thinking we're gonna have LOTS of "money" to toss around. Money by the wheelbarrowfull.
I think they're setting the stage for "monetizing the debt". When you owe so much money that you can NEVER pay it back, buuuut.... you also have the power to print money at your whim, then the temptation must be awfully strong to just "print it up and pay them off."
What you say? You won't really be "paying them off", since the VALUE of the dollars you pay will be greatly diminished?
Tsk tsk, who cares! It's the NUMBER of dollars that matters, right? I mean, "on paper" -- as in, "IOU One Jillion Dollars". If I print up a jillion bux, and hand 'em to you, then you're PAID! Not MY problem if by the time I finish printing 'em up, they're not worth enough to buy a cup of coffee. I gave you the right number of dollars.
THAT is what it means to "monetize the debt", and rationally, one might assume that the first step (well, one of the first steps) would be to draw the curtains around "the money supply", so that you could, ahem, "work in private."
We live in beyond-interesting times. We live in dizzying times, and I fear that chaos is not far off, at the rate and direction we're headed. I fear for our children, and the world we're leaving them for their children. But there's really nothing I can do about it, other than see it coming, wince, and endure it.
I think that if you talk about that stuff you are apt to lose your account here, judging solely by observations of other posters histories.
I think that if "the left" ever finds it has no more use for "the poor", then their "valuable constituency" will suddenly transform into a mass of "useless eaters". And, gathered as these constituencies tend to be, in run-down urban "center cities", where it takes ongoing, expensive, almost superhuman effort just to keep them going in any semblance of human habitation, then I expect it might get just a tad hairy if "services" were cut off.
The other part of "the poor" being maintained in "center city" locations is that if things do get really out of hand, it'll be fairly easy (as these things go) to cordon them off until either A) they grow up, get some manners, become self-productive, learn to make something of themselves... or, B) the smoke stops rising over the ghettoes.
I think we got a taste of how this could happen during "the New Oleaans thing". People from "certain" districts were essentially cordoned-off, and prevented from exiting those districts -- at gunpoint. I think a lot of "theory" was tested during the aftermath of Katrina. I think there were a lot of "Lessons Learned" sessions. I think there was a definite "exercize" aspect to some of the stuff I saw happening on live TV.
So, will "the poor" ever lose their utility to the left?
Hell if I know. Why not ask a Mexican "undocumented immigrant" what he thinks?
Methinks you misspelled "Aztlan".
There's a hell of a bunch of Senators on Ambian.
This will breed further cynicism and contempt for the tax laws. Honest Americans who have faithfully and fully paid their taxes only to see illegal aliens rewarded with special breaks for flouting the law are going to ask themselves, "Why?"
I don't think anyone is arguing against lawfully present workers. If I rob a bank and invest the money in T-Bills, should I be able to collect the proceeds?
No, what it means is a "his case against yours" scenario. And if one thing is crystal clear as of today's voting action, it's that "his" rights trump "your" rights.
This could end up being a nightmare for any American Citizen who employed an Illegal "off the books".."off the books" means they have no proof of paying in, so they cannot retroactively collect.
And by no small degree either.
"He" can commit multiple felonies -- the likes of which would put YOU in prison doing serious time, paying serious fines -- and, rather than be "punished" for committing these crimes, he will be rewarded -- with the reward being funded from YOUR pockets.
So pardon my apparent cynicism when I suggest that in any "he says/she says" situation in which it's a case of "Who do we believe? The Mexican? Or the American?" -- the answer will be, "The Mexican, of course. They're good people, after all."
When one of "these good people" accuses you of having done whatever it is that he needs someone to "have done" in order for him to get "his paperwork in order", then I'm afraid you're gonna have to either take it right up the pants, or, "prove a negative" -- which the logicians will tell you is an impossibility. (How are you gonna "prove" that you didn't "hire him under the table ten years ago"? (or five? or two?) You can't! Ergo, he wins.)
Welcome to the exciting world of "guilty until proven innocent" -- available now, Citizens-Only, no others need apply!
The decision on immigration is too important to leave to the politicians who have enormous pressures on them.
The decision belongs to the people.
The people MUST vote on this.
Ain't gonna happen.
The decision on immigration is too important to leave to the politicians who have enormous pressures on them.The decision belongs to the people.
The people MUST vote on this.
You're telling the 800 lb. Gorilla to put down the fruit bowl and "share". He's not gonna be inclined to cooperate!
They hold all the cards, and they're making sure we know it. The past few days (and weeks, but mostly days, as things speed up at an exponential rate) have been remarkable. In the face of staggering, overwhelmening public opposition to a series of foundational travesties against the Constitution, The People, the Nation, and, their "core" constituents -- they thumb their noses at us, and issue a series of obscene decrees that accrue to the direct benefit of our adversaries, at our expense, to our detriment.
This would be surreal if not for the fact that it's so incredibly in-your-face obscene.
NO ONE pulls a stunt like that if they aren't holding ALL the cards.
I think we're looking at "end-game" consolidation of power, and shift of influence. We're being washed overboard. We've served our purpose, and now it's on to bigger and better -- or, to nothing at all. Once sufficient power has been accumulated, a political "base" becomes superfluous.
Who among us would have accepted the idea that we'd be confronted with a government that handed over a series of rights and privileges to foreign national criminals? Rights and privileges that are denied to Americans?
Who would have imagined it even remotely possible to see the government making it legal for criminal foreign nationals to engage in a series of felonies -- crimes having nothing to do with there status as "illegal aliens"? (Things like identity theft, document forgery, financial fraud, etc., etc., etc.)
Who would have thought that...
Aw, hell, I'll stop there. By now y'all eiher get the point, or you don't. Or won't. (This isn't directed to you, tkathy, I'm addressing "the crowd.")
It's obvious that SOMETHING has changed -- something major, and something recent. We're watching a consolidation, a mopping-up operation. Things are being hastily RAMMED into place, and we simply have NO say in the matter.
And I repeat, it's not exactly like they don't KNOW what we think, what we want, what we DON'T want.
It's just that we don't MATTER.
We did matter -- a little -- a little while ago. That's when we were sold a bill of goods. We were hammered with the idea -- until we finally caved -- the idea of letting them set up a "Guest Worker Program", to allow lettuce and grape pickers to come into the country for seasonal work, and then LEAVE at the end of the season.
Once we finally stopped bitching against that "Guest Worker" deal, they quickly hoisted it into Congress. And from the instant it arrived there, it magically morphed into a fast-track CITIZENSHIP and AMNESTY program! They rarely even bothered to mention the phrase "guest workers" once they got their hands on the throttle!
We were sold a bill of goods. We were maneuvered so that we'd let them get "the situation" into Congress, and once there, they have been totally dedicated to ramrodding through something that bears ZERO resemblance to any "guest worker" program. It's amnesty "by any name", with the added bonus of a major citizenship component -- and, an EXTRA amnesty, for a litany of felonies that would land any American in the "hard time" wing of the state pen.
Truly mind boggling.
And it seems quite obvious that they're NOT going to "hand over the car keys" in the form of a "vote" by "We, The People."
They KNOW what would be the outcome of any such vote.
If they were going to allow a vote, they might as well just hang it up, and give up on their agenda -- because that would surely be the result of a "vote".
And they know it.
Nope, I just can't see it happening. They are going to do what they PLAN on doing. They're so close to fruition, they are within a few more votes (of theirs, and a signature from the executive, and then they can rest easy, knowing that they've finally pulled it off.
Telling them to stop for a vote at this point, would be like trying to pull over a racecar driver as he's closing in on the final lap, because you want to do a pollution check on his engine. What you will get from him will be a dirty look, perhaps an obscene gesture, and then he'll just ignore you, so he can keep his eyes on the road.
After he's won the race, he might look at you and ask, "Now what was it you wanted back then?" -- to which you'll reply, "Oh, nevermind."
Probably not a perfect metaphor (I'm falling asleep, real hard day, real hard week, looking ahead to a real hard month. I despise MRI machines...)
Using the logic smeared over the current travesty, one could just as easily argue that bank robbers, muggers, and embezzlers "help the economy" as they "save, invest, and spend the money they acquired by means that some might consider 'illegal'; thus, we must accept their contribution to our society, and embrace them as members of the extended American family."
I don't think anyone is arguing against lawfully present workers. If I rob a bank and invest the money in T-Bills, should I be able to collect the proceeds?
I hope I typed that reasonably legibly, I'm kinda collapsing here. Gotta go...
i don't think the sheep will squawk when their taxes are raised. the politicians will make it seem like it's money that is needed for "schools" or "children" or "roads" or anything else and the sheeple will go right along. Baaaaaah.
Time for the torches and pitch forks.
You're giving the politicians a rap that most don't deserve. For the most part, they are marvelous people, caught up in a vast bureaucratic behemoth. The government isn't a "they" with god like powers.
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