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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: DCPatriot
Takes himself a little too seriously, but he's a good guy.

Once again, LM was not saying he/she wanted border security FIRST. I was replying to Onyx, who was talking about border security FIRST.

1,621 posted on 05/17/2006 1:43:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: RinaseaofDs

My comment is simple. It means punishing the party which is closest to conservatives' positions is INSANITY.

The howls around here are NOT for more "effective" leadership. A FR poll shows 10% hate Bush and 20% want to turn the whole shootin match over to the RATs.

The first immigration bill which passed 55-40 CLEARLY shows that the problem here is NOT the GOP it is and always has been the Party of Treason. Expecting 100% agreement within the GOP is an absurd expectation. This is not a totalitarian organization.

Using your logic the RATs aren't so bad since 8 of them also voted against it.


1,622 posted on 05/17/2006 1:43:12 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Quix

A 'triple-layered' fence according to the article.

Past that, I have no idea.


1,623 posted on 05/17/2006 1:43:25 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: pbrown
In the time I've been here, I don't ever remember seeing the mods so interactive with posters. Have you?

Neither have I seen a moderator take one side to this extent.

1,624 posted on 05/17/2006 1:43:42 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: CWOJackson
That's exactly what the Libertarians said a few years back in Washington state about Senator Gorton...

I don't recall these libertarians. But FR is unimportant to the defeat-Chafee movement anyway. It's going ahead with Laffey to defeat him.
1,625 posted on 05/17/2006 1:43:52 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Quix

Not clear on whom you are referring to as traitors.


1,626 posted on 05/17/2006 1:44:19 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Junior_G; Lead Moderator
The simultaneous implementation of a guest-worker program will undermine the efforts to secure the border by encouraging even more illegals to flood across. It also makes it clear that the security measures are just window dressing. The real message is "welcome illegals".

Exactly.

1,627 posted on 05/17/2006 1:44:29 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Torie

Well, they usually take some time and effort to organize and it's not at all clear to me that, if it comes down to that, they'd be able to pull off a discharge petition before the session ends. You are right though that it's a definite possibility.


1,628 posted on 05/17/2006 1:44:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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To: poodlepepto

Wow...you've been a member how long and know PukinDog so well.


1,629 posted on 05/17/2006 1:45:00 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Pukin Dog
The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President.

Amen, brother!

1,630 posted on 05/17/2006 1:45:10 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: poodlepepto; Pukin Dog; onyx; Admin Moderator; Lead Moderator

And you signed up today to create and post that graphic??

BWAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!

Mods, can we keep this one and tease him a little? Pleeeeeeease....?!


1,631 posted on 05/17/2006 1:45:26 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: prairiebreeze

Ahhhh. Thanks.

Seems to me, that we ought to start deducting say $10,000-25,000 from remittances back to Mexico for every assault on the fence, perhaps for every illegal that gets across.

If we don't sock Mexico where it hurts the ruling elite there, hard to fight it all on the border.


1,632 posted on 05/17/2006 1:45:45 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: pbrown
Yes. Course, I was a lurker back then. One of the great threads of all time.

What does it mean? Walk softly 'cause they carry a big stick—and they're not afraid to use it when times get tough.

I have tremendous respect for them. Best thread I ever read was once when Jim posted some of the background chatter between the mods regarding bannings, thread/rule enforcement and the like. Spent nearly two days reading through it all.
1,633 posted on 05/17/2006 1:46:00 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: CWOJackson
Senator Maria Cantwell-at-all and turning over the Senate.

Exactly right, and if you noticed today, she and Murray voted against the Session amendment regarding the fence.

1,634 posted on 05/17/2006 1:46:55 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: prairiebreeze

I will admit, that is a far better grade of troll then we've been getting lately.


1,635 posted on 05/17/2006 1:47:09 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Smogger

"I think a universal ID card with strong sanctions for hiring illegals would be a lot more effective, however."

National ID card, eh?

"Police, vos papiers, s'il vous plait!"

Bush and the Senate Republicans can't go after employers too hard. It will damage the business base. They have a delicate balancing act to do here. Unfortunately, on Monday night the President didn't balance anything and repeated his previous position using prettier words.

The BorderBots got nothing and they know it.
No amnesty, EVER, is what some BorderBots want...but that's too hard and too mean for the rest of the electorate. Can't do that.
A national ID card in order to work will freak out libertarians. Not only that, but remember that the business base wants to keep the cheap labor.

But a Fence...an Isreali-style wall out in the middle of nowhere...well, THAT takes care of the problem of flow long term, without sending in the cops after business contributors, without damaging the existing labor pool, which is being utilized for a profit, and without making Americans have to carry papers in order to work like the French do.

The Fence is the Solomonic compromise here.
Also, it starts saving more money than it costs right away, because wherever you build it, illegals go elsewhere to cross, and as it becomes more complete, fewer leave Oaxaca in the first place. Fewer illegals means dramatically lower social welfare expenditures.'

Give them the Fence, and over the long run America remains Anglo-Saxon, English speaking, and blue collar Americans will have greater job stability...long term.

Short term, the BorderBots all come out and vote for the GOP in November because the Democrats will stop building the Fence.

The Fence is the saving move.


1,636 posted on 05/17/2006 1:47:09 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: Toby06
OH YEAH?!!

Well just look at how many replies were posted AFTER I bumped the thread!!


:-P

( Actually, it was just a bookmark so I could find it later on my pings list. I like Pukin Dog's posts. I'm naming my next dog "Pukin" )

1,637 posted on 05/17/2006 1:47:10 PM PDT by EdReform (Protect our 2nd Amendment Rights - Join the NRA today - www.nra.org)
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To: prairiebreeze; poodlepepto; Pukin Dog; Lead Moderator

WOW -- poopy-doo slipped right by me.

Retread.

They just can't stay away. They're obssessed with FR.

Pathetic afers.

Wave to your afer pals at the cheap imitation forums, poodle-de-doo.


1,639 posted on 05/17/2006 1:48:33 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: stands2reason

Not clear on whom you are referring to as traitors.
- - -

Sorry.

Terrible for an ESL teacher.

Uhhh . . . a parot speaking the Bill of Rights and voting in Congress according to the Bill of Rights would be infecting people with truth

a lot more constructive to The Republic

than traitors Feinstein, Boxerface et al who infect people with globalist, Marxist, Machiavellian tyranny lies and delusions.


1,640 posted on 05/17/2006 1:48:41 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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