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Hard to believe that even a former Carter admin official like Brzezinski could say on national TV that we aren't at war.

What is the Left smoking?

1 posted on 05/15/2006 12:39:04 PM PDT by LSUfan
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Zbigniew Brzezinski declared that "we are not at war."

I used to think that he was the one Carterista with a brain. Looks like he doesn't have one either.

2 posted on 05/15/2006 12:40:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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What is the Left smoking?

I dunno, but apparently Patches Kennedy's had a few hits of it.

3 posted on 05/15/2006 12:41:39 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Vote Conservative in primaries, Republican in November)
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a former Carter admin official like Brzezinski could say on national TV that we aren't at war

He refused to recognize war when Iran declared it by sacking our embassy and holding our people for over a year.

4 posted on 05/15/2006 12:42:05 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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Oh, so there's just a rather large group of Americans in Iraq having a paid vacation?


5 posted on 05/15/2006 12:42:05 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Hard to believe that even a former Carter admin official like Brzezinski could say on national TV that we aren't at war. What is the Left smoking?

Same as the right apparently, they have both declined to declare war.

6 posted on 05/15/2006 12:43:13 PM PDT by Protagoras ("Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious".... George Orwell)
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"Hard to believe that even a former Carter admin official like Brzezinski could say on national TV that we aren't at war."

That's not hard to believe at all. Remember, Warren Christopher asked one of the Delta Force officers why they thought it necessary to shoot to kill during the abortive Iranian Embassy hostage rescue mission. If they cannot understand something that simple how can we expect the Z man to understand we are at war (even when our enemy tells us we are).

7 posted on 05/15/2006 12:49:15 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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he suggested that it was fear-mongering to talk about being in a war

Yeah, I guess I am fear-mongering

God help us all if the left takes over.

8 posted on 05/15/2006 12:49:34 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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OK ...

no military conflict since WW2 has been accompanied with a formal declaration of war. The current policies of the Executive Branch go back to the Korean Conflict*.

Yet, all Presidents, Democrat and Republican alike, have sought AND received authorization from Congress for the use of significant military force against a sovereign nation. The facts are, all U.S. military conflicts since WWII have been “undeclared.” The *“Korean War” was/is often called the ‘Korean Conflict’ as it was positioned to the public as a police action of the United Nations.

Similarly the Vietnam War was initially referred to as a “conflict” until the growing scale of US involvement and human cost earned it the self-evident and very appropriate “war” moniker. The President (LBJ) received his not-really-a-war declaration from Congress in the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. The U.S. Congress specifically authorized the President to use “all necessary measures … including the use of armed force …to assist any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asia Collective Defense Treaty requesting assistance in defense of its freedom.” That [joint] Resolution was approved by the House unanimously (416-0), and by the Senate 88-2. The resolution was repealed during the Nixon years, in May of 1970.

Three years later, overriding a Nixon veto, Congress passed Public Law 93-148, The War Powers Resolution to limit the power of the President of the United States to wage war without the approval of the Congress. The Resolution is sometimes erroneously referred to as the War Powers Act, and continues to fuel a separation of powers dispute between the Legislative and Executive branches of our Federal government. But despite the rancor, all Presidents have sought AND RECEIVED consent from Congress to use military force. After “Gulf War 1” combat operations against Iraqi forces ended on February 28, 1991, the use of force to obtain Iraqi compliance with U.N. resolutions remained a War Powers issue, until the enactment of P.L. 107-243 , on October 16th 2002.


Public Law 107-243 explicitly authorized the President (GWBush) to use force against Iraq, an authority he exercised in March 2003, and continues to exercise for military operations in Iraq. The Resolution authorized “the President to use armed force to defend the national security of the United States against the threat posed by Iraq and to enforce all relevant U.N. resolutions regarding Iraq.”

WRT IRaq and the war on terror - Congress has repeatedly put their support into Public Law, as follows ...

H.Res. 322
Supported the pursuit of peaceful and diplomatic efforts in seeking Iraqi compliance with United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding the destruction of Iraq’s capability to deliver and produce weapons of mass destruction. However, if such efforts fail, “multilateral military action or unilateral military action should be taken.”
Passed in the House: November 13, 1997


H.Res. 612
Reaffirmed that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime.
Passed in the House: December 17, 1998


H.Con.Res.137
Expressed concern for the urgent need of a criminal tribunal to try members of the Iraqi regime for war crimes.
Passed in the House: January 27, 1998

Senate
S.Con.Res. 78 Called for the indictment of Saddam Hussein for war crimes.
Passed in the Senate: March 13, 1998

P.L. 105-235 (S.J.Res. 54). Iraqi Breach of International Obligations.
Declared that by evicting weapons inspectors, Iraq was in “material breach” of its cease-fire agreement. Urged the President to take “appropriate action in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations.”
Became public law: August 14, 1998

P.L. 105-338 (H.R. 4655). Iraq Liberation Act of 1988 (Section 586).
Declared that it should be the policy of the United States to “support efforts” to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and replace him with a democratic government. Authorized the President to provide the Iraqi democratic opposition with assistance for radio and television broadcasting, defense articles and military training, and humanitarian assistance.
Became public law: October 31, 1998

H.J.Res. 75
Stated that Iraq’s refusal to allow weapons inspectors was a material breach of its international obligations and constituted “a mounting threat to the United States, its friends and allies, and international peace and security.”
Passed in the House: December 20, 2001

Senate
S. 3079 Expressed the sense of Congress that key scientists, engineers, and technicians in Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction programs should be encouraged to leave and provide information to governments and international institutions that are committed to such programs’ dismantling. Stipulates that the alien and any immediate family members shall be eligible for U.S. permanent residence admission.
Passed in the Senate: November 20, 2002

Public Laws
P.L. 107-243 (H.J.Res. 114). To Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces
against Iraq. Authorized the President to use armed force to defend the national security of the United States against the threat posed by Iraq and to enforce all relevant U.N. resolutions regarding Iraq.
Became public law: October 16, 2002


9 posted on 05/15/2006 12:50:42 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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Well, I wouldn't put too much stock in his pronouncements considering that he was one of the architects of the Operation EAGLE CLAW/Desert One debacle...


10 posted on 05/15/2006 12:53:14 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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Since we're not at war, then send these brainless idiots over there for a summer vacation. I recommend a leisurely tour of the entire country. I even suggest these Carter fools take the rest of their cohorts, e.g, Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, Howard Dean, Kerry, and the rest of the our embarrassments over there. If they survive their vacation in Iraq, they can tour over to Iran. Hey, guys, enjoy your trip!


11 posted on 05/15/2006 12:53:32 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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They lie and know it, this is treason by the commies, Carter, all lefties.
Time is coming......


15 posted on 05/15/2006 12:59:53 PM PDT by roverman2K6
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If we fought WW2 like we did this war we would be speaking German and Japanese.


16 posted on 05/15/2006 1:00:07 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ((FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.))
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Zbigniew Brzezinski is simply exhibiting some of the classical racist attitudes of Central and Eastern Europeans when he says that.

It is their opinion that ONLY European people, and white Americans, have enough intelligence and drive to actually conduct a war.

Anything done by anyone else no matter how damaging is simply not legitimately war in their eyes.

He's not alone, though, which is what gives rise to the impression in the United States among thinking people that the Nazis never really got defeated in WWII.

18 posted on 05/15/2006 1:28:40 PM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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bttt


19 posted on 05/15/2006 1:28:54 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (FreeRepublic and Rush Limbaugh: kevlar protection from the Drive-By Media.)
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Almost four years ago, I wrote an article for UPI reviewing most of America's declarations of war over the years. I pointed out that the authorization in the Patriot Act, passed days after the 9/11 attacks, was almost word for word the same that Congress gave to President Jefferson to "use military force" to pursue the Barbary Pirates (Muslims, by the way) "across international borders" in 1805.

The Constitution does not specify the exact words to be used in a declaration of war. If what Congress did for Jefferson in 1805 was a sufficient declaration, then the one Congress passed for Bush in 2001 and again a year later, is also sufficient.

Brzeniski is an ill-informed moron at best, a deliberate Democrat liar at worse, in making this statement that we are "not at war." We should be grateful that this war, for all its blood and money costs, is minor compared to the deaths and costs in proportaion to GNP in WW I, WW II, Korea, Vietnam, etc.

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20 posted on 05/15/2006 1:30:30 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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The War is over!!!?????? Geez, has anybody let Mother Sheehan know? Maybe she can now go get a job.


25 posted on 05/15/2006 1:45:08 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929)
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It is a suprise to know that the Fed can handle the millions of phone records generated by the average American
How in the heck do they handle all that info and to what purpose?

I don't even know an arab, much less a radical islamic one.
But I do call my congress and senate critters, do they want that information and if so for what purpose? We really don't know do we. I would like a lot more information on what this information is collected for before giving it a rubber stamp approval.


33 posted on 05/15/2006 1:59:01 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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Brzezinski has few accomplishments to put him in the category of "authority". The MSM continues to play his song with backup by the Jimmie Carter choir.


37 posted on 05/15/2006 2:09:16 PM PDT by hgro
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I'd be more inclined to listen to the "there's a war on" verbiage if I had a congressional declaration of war to read.


38 posted on 05/15/2006 2:12:33 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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"former Carter National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski declared that "we are not at war."

Not exactly the brightest light in the firmament. Sharpen up, Zbiggy!


42 posted on 05/15/2006 2:22:25 PM PDT by RoadTest (The wicked love darkness; but God's people love the Light!)
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