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Europe’s Two Culture Wars
Commentary Magazine ^ | May 14, 2006 | George Weigel

Posted on 05/14/2006 4:03:29 AM PDT by RWR8189

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1 posted on 05/14/2006 4:03:33 AM PDT by RWR8189
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too long to read now bump!


2 posted on 05/14/2006 4:07:20 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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I fear, that by the time I finish reading the article, Europe will have fallen.


3 posted on 05/14/2006 4:18:49 AM PDT by Stentor
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Bump for when I've got time.


4 posted on 05/14/2006 4:25:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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I'm afraid the response of a majority Europeans and Britons would be "Nothing to see here! Everyone move away please!".

I hope I will be proven wrong, and that Mr Weigel may probably don't know the real pictures "on the ground". But I'm not optimistic.


5 posted on 05/14/2006 4:28:41 AM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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A very compelling article, worth reading the whole article.
In addition, the author refers to this site: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/ for news on the European culture wars. It is shocking to see how far they have fallen over there. For example, this:

"A German reader informs us that it is not just the Catholic Church that has its quislings selling out to the Muslims. On Palm Sunday (9 April) a Protestant church in Bochum/Germany celebrated Muhammad’s birthday. The church invited the local Turkish community and the Turkish Consul, Munis Dirik, to attend the service. A Turkish music band played sufi music during the service, in which Protestants and Muslims joined together in honour of Muhammad."

"In his sermon, Fred Sobiech, the Protestant vicar, tried to link the figures of Muhammad and Jesus, saying: 'Today we remember the birth and life of Muhammad and the beginning of the week of the passion of Christ, leading to Good Friday, the day Jesus of Nazareth was crucified.'"

A photo of a Muslim banner hanging in the church is reproduced on the site by way of illustration. The Europeans have really lost it.


6 posted on 05/14/2006 4:49:15 AM PDT by Sabatier
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"Not a single EU member has a replacement-level fertility rate, i.e., the 2.1 children per woman needed to maintain a stable population."

And your point is?

Who says that the exising European population level is desirable?

Why shouldn't populations regulate their own future?

The argument is about foreign immigrant populations intruding and breeding their way to ascendancy.


7 posted on 05/14/2006 4:56:05 AM PDT by plenipotentiary
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I fear, that by the time I finish reading the article, Europe will have fallen.

I'm afraid, it had fallen even before the article was written. The un-checked and un-intended results of 'good' ideas like Classical Liberalism, together with many wars among themselves, have led Europeans into nihilism and self-hatred.

8 posted on 05/14/2006 5:01:15 AM PDT by paudio
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Excellent piece on the disaster in the making in Europe.


9 posted on 05/14/2006 5:14:21 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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Thank you for the post. This article is essential reading for people who want to understand the world today.


10 posted on 05/14/2006 5:15:38 AM PDT by Puzzleman ("All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing." -- Edmund Burke)
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Insanity.


11 posted on 05/14/2006 5:29:48 AM PDT by bkepley
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so in european newspeak i'm not his father, i'm 'progenitor A'. have to run that by her, and maybe run for cover... :)
12 posted on 05/14/2006 5:46:37 AM PDT by kinoxi
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This article is a sad prognosis for Europe. The Europeans I know and talk to about these topics are quite aware of the realities described. They don't see any hope for improvement of the situation, and therefore decline to have kids without a future. The EU government with its increasing regulations over national governments has contributed to a decline of nationalism, which while reducing the potential of future wars, has also contributed to a feeling of futility and lack of purpose. With their high level of unemployment due to socialistic obstacles to entrepreneurship, they're mainly concerned about survival, as we've seen in the recent French protests. And this is what the liberals have in store for us here, by advocating more powers to the United Nations.


13 posted on 05/14/2006 5:48:44 AM PDT by Tangaray
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An excellent article.

Europeans, for the most part, have declared God dead.

Europeans, for the most part, will soon be the ones dead.

14 posted on 05/14/2006 5:49:01 AM PDT by Gritty (Victory in the war on terrorism must be won in the domain of morals and culture-Serge Trifkovic)
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We have our own immigrants our government is allowing in to maintain an overall stable birthrate. They are called Mexicans. However, they happen to be Christian [with a few Kommies thrown in].


15 posted on 05/14/2006 5:52:29 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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...according to the government’s official bulletin, “the expression ‘father’ will be replaced by ‘Progenitor A,’ and ‘mother’ will be replaced by ‘Progenitor B.

This is a sexist outrage demanding immediate reparation.

Why is "father" A, and "mother" B? I expect the usual suspects to spring into action any time now.

16 posted on 05/14/2006 6:02:03 AM PDT by beckaz (Deport, deport. deport.)
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the communist/elitist males that developed this crap would never consider themselves as 'b',despite the obvious evidence to the contrary


17 posted on 05/14/2006 6:10:15 AM PDT by kinoxi
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Well, I read the whole thing. Common sense sees that history does actually repeat itself. What we are seeing here is Europe in about 1936/7/8. Europeans are slightly aware that their culture is being compromised and it seems that the old aside, "We have seen the enemy and it is us" is more valid than ever.

IMO one of two things will happen in the next 10-20 years.
Europe will bend over and take it from the Muzzies all the while patting themselves on the back for how open and liberal they are until the day that they are forced to face Mecca and pray five times a day, then;

Someone now unknown will find the guts to stand up and unite what is left of strong manhood/womanhood and Christian culture and start a little dust-up which will lead to another European civil war which will then cause the US (if we have not been totally emasculated by our own leftists) to go and try to save thankless, arrogant, appeasing, clueless,disarmed, wimpy European butts, yet again.

If it happens that way and Europe survives, they will hate us for saving them again.

I know whole cultures disappear in the course of history, maybe it's time for Europe to pay the bill.
18 posted on 05/14/2006 6:19:24 AM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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"The Europeans have really lost it."

So it would appear. That "celebration", it's just blasphemy.

I will read this all later, I just can't have my head exploding right before the Mom's day brunch we're going to!


19 posted on 05/14/2006 6:20:47 AM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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In short, the moral relativism of Europe is often mere window-dressing, a mask for Western self-hatred.

The above sentence summarizes most of the article.


20 posted on 05/14/2006 6:29:58 AM PDT by rbg81
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