Immigration madness (Tony Blankley)

Washington Times ^ | 5/3/06 | Tony Blankley

[Elkiejg]

......It is almost inconceivable that an argument is taken seriously that we don't have the right to secure our borders and determine who shall enter our country. Not only has such lunacy become respectable, but our mainstream media instantly, instinctively embraces such a position. Every radio headline newscast, almost every newspaper and television report willfully refuses to distinguish between illegal and legal immigrants. Each report stamps the mark of evil on the forehead of all who would guard our borders. ......

[ElPatriota]

... was?... is, have we been invaded? :

[McGavin999]

I'd love to put my money where my mouth is, but unfortunately, my insurance costs now exceed the amount of my car payment and I and the other ladies in my age group are now taking concealed carry classes (at the recommendation of our police officer at the neighborhood watch) because of all the rapes, robberies and beatings that have been going on in our once peaceful neighborhood. Two ladies in the past 6 months were savagely beaten, robbed and raped (ladies in their 60's BTW) in my immediate neighborhood alone. The other night I stood in my very own kitchen with a gun aimed at the forehead of an illegal who was attempting to break into my house. How do I know he was illegal? Because he was captured by the police who had been chasing him just two houses down from me.

So as you can see, I already HAVE put my money where my mouth is young man. I am no longer safe in a city where I have lived for over 60 years. I have watched Phoenix go from a beautiful, clean city to a filthy, third world country. I have watched stores that I have gone to all my life shut down because they could no longer absorb the shoplifting and theft. I have friends who are teachers who are retiring early because they can no longer stand to teach in schools where english is barely spoken and they must neglect english speaking children in order to teach others how to merely understand the language, they've just given up. Don't try to tell me what I see every single day. As to the statistics, they are all over this forum, I am not your mother and will not do your homework for you. Educate yourself.

[texastoo]

You couldn't find a relevant article that was written recently, not 1986 and 1987. Just keep looking, I feel sure you will find it all by yourself.

[chris1]

They don't care a wit. They want to work for cash to send home, period.

As soon as they get their pay cut in the form of "legalization" you will see not only a huge revolt, but massive new amounts of illegals to undermine the new "guests".

[DumpsterDiver]

LowCountryJoe: And the vast majority of immigrants do have an effect upon our economy but in ways that you probably don't want to believe.

wolfcreek: I, for one, believe you are correct on this point and not many will disagree with the fact the illegals have become an important part of our economy.

I'm having trouble following some of this thread. Are we discussing immigrants, or are we discussing illegals?

[DumpsterDiver]

ping

[MissAmericanPie]

Very good article, but for one thing. The reason for such treason is laid at the door of stupidity when that is not the case at all.

This approved invasion is and has always been a plot to crack the nut of American sovereignty by the worse sort of enemy inside the gate. If a group wants to change the entire world, kill the nation state world wide, it makes sense to take on the big dog first.

If the United States of America can be killed off as a nation state by ignoring and over throwing the rule of law, then what chance does the rest of the world have of guarding, protecting, and upholding the sovereignty of their own nations?

There needs to be an immediate halt to writing this off as the stupidity of politicians and the media, and defined and confronted head on as to what it really is. A plot by enemies of the state to destroy the nation state by over throwing or changing the laws designed to protect us from invasion and destroying our borders and thereby our sovereignty.

More and more the government has cut off all communications between itself and the tax paying citizen even by phone. We are not allowed to starve the beast of D.C. because of employer with holding of our taxes before we even get our paychecks, that needs to stop and the law or edict which forces employers to be agents of a government that no longer represents them or their employees.

Invaders demonstrate on our streets, Americans will demonstrate at the voters booth, but to what avail when both parties are equally against the will and best interest of the American citizen? We need to seek other remedies when every avenue has been cut off from the express right of citizens to have their grievances presented and addressed by those that no longer represent us.

[uncitizen]

Engineers have unions? To think I've been working as one for all these years and never knew that we were anything other than salaried, "exempt", employees.

That's why i pointed out that they were "non-union" in my post, to differentiate from the union workers i spoke of before that.

Did you read my entire post or just skim it? come on?? confess...

[uncitizen]

They don't care a wit. They want to work for cash to send home, period. As soon as they get their pay cut in the form of "legalization" you will see not only a huge revolt, but massive new amounts of illegals to undermine the new "guests".

I guess i can't argue with that. My question was more of a rhetorical/sarcastic one anyway.

[politeia]

But that's only what is seen on the surface. The power of comparative advantage (division of labor) unlock once some people are freed up to pursue other, more productive, line of work.

No, what you call "surface" is what real people are having to face every day as a result of illegal immigration as evidenced by the example I gave which you blithly dismiss after directly asking for an "example."

And your use of "comparative advantage theory" is not appropriate. This theory was developed in a time when labor was not substituted internationally and it has to do with trade which is not the issue in illegal immigration at all. What is happening now through illegal immigration and outsourcing is substitution of labor both domestically and internationally and this is not "trade" at all. It is merely the creation of a globalized labor market in which wages and living standards are equalized across the world.

The middle class in America would disappear as a result of continuing this policy and American living standards would decline precipitously. Living standards have already declined for the lower and middle classes in America as a result of this labor substitution and no amount of so-called economic "statistics" or studies can refute the actual experience of living and breathing Americans over the past 30 years in this country. I notice that you did not speak to the actual example I provided of illegal immigration reducing wages for Americans.

What Americans are finally beginning to wake up to is that there is a class war shaping up over this immigration and outsourcing debate. Those whose preferred policy is to globalize the labor market are willing to write off an entire class of American citizens as well as the future of our republican system of self-government which requires an independent, self-reliant citizenry which is not dependent on government. The globalist elites are betting on the fact that their wealth will buy them protection from all the bad consequences of their policies on the American economy and society. Proponents of globalism are really opponents of self-government of any one nation which requires borders and a citizenry that sees its future and well being connected to a definable people and place.

You obviously do not believe that flooding the labor market with unskilled illegal labor is a bad thing. We have had this argument before on a thread in 2004 and I see you have not changed your globalist and pro-open borders position over that time. The purpose of America -- the American project so to speak -- is to demonstrate the ability of a people to govern itself, not to achieve the lowest consumer price for goods. Our founders disdained merely “commercial” considerations and considered them to be evidence of “corruption” by which they meant elevation of private interests above the common good. They considered markets and economics as a means to support a virtuous citizenry, not the end of government altogether.

Today, however the "economy" narrowly defined seems to trump all with these globalist political and corporate elites and their view of citizenship is really that of a consumer -- thus Bush's appeal to Americans to go shopping after 9-11. They have a universal belief (or might I say faith) in free trade that verges on the religious -- it is unquestioned. But these globalist elites and transnational corporations really have no allegiance to any particular country or system of government. They are not interested in assuring that your or my grandchildren live in a self-governing society that values all types of liberty. There is a lot more at stake than economics in this debate and it will largely determine whether the American project of self-government prospers or is fatally undermined.

[azhenfud]

Elloquently and bluntly put.

Expect those who abhor America's sovereignty to object.

[wardaddy]

Tony is right.

And the blame lies squarely at the TOP.

[uncitizen]

Some of us FReepers do not always use proper sentence structure, grammar, whatever. I apologize for the confusion.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

Geez, I can taste the shoe leather from here...

[lsjogren]

"However, the birth rates among immigrants tend to be higher than our current non-immigrant population, so they're probably, in most cases, taking in more education resources than the put into it."


If their birthrate were the same it would not matter.


In our society, low income workers pay far less in taxes than they get in services.

The relevance of birthrate is that it is one of the pieces of information needed to answer quantitatively- just how much do illegal aliens siphon out of the pockets of taxpayers.

[taxed2death]

re: your post #82.

My heart goes out to you Madam, please stay safe.

[taxed2death]

"We are not allowed to starve the beast of D.C. because of employer with holding of our taxes before we even get our paychecks, that needs to stop and the law or edict which forces employers to be agents of a government that no longer represents them or their employees."

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This employer agrees 100%.

You want to see fiscal responsibility?

How about NO withholding of tax money. I'd like to see those that owe taxes write out one big fat check a year to Uncle Sham.

Heads would roll.