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1 posted on 04/28/2006 11:23:04 AM PDT by george wythe
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You bet your sweet a$$ you can!


124 posted on 04/28/2006 5:05:33 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To love someone means to act in their best interests, regardless of their desires. To simply surrender to those interests is an act of indifference.
It is no one's best interest that people should enter this country illegally. Nor is it anyone's interest that people should live in the United States below the law. Nor it is anyone's interest to reward people for activity that by any standard of law or morality is illegal.
While one may have great sympathy for those who are in the United States, one cannot simply yield to the desires of anyone who manages to sneak across the Rio Grande.
127 posted on 04/28/2006 6:57:07 PM PDT by quadrant
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What is love? Interesting thread bump!


129 posted on 04/29/2006 2:52:56 AM PDT by PGalt
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If a Christian can countenance imprisoning his brother who has committed a crime, then deporting his brother who has entered illegally can't be much of a moral question.
131 posted on 04/29/2006 4:35:20 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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Exodus 22: 21 "Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

Leviticus 19: 33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Deuteronomy 14: 28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

Deuteronomy 16: 13 Celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days after you have gathered the produce of your threshing floor and your winepress. 14 Be joyful at your Feast—you, your sons and daughters, your menservants and maidservants, and the Levites, the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns.

Deuteronomy 24 14 “You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether one of your brethren or one of the aliens who is in your land within your gates.

Ezekiel 47: 21 "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.

Malachi 3: 5 "So I will come near to you for judgment. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive aliens of justice, but do not fear me," says the LORD Almighty.


134 posted on 04/29/2006 4:39:08 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Welcome the RECONQUISTAS?

No thanks.


136 posted on 04/29/2006 4:51:32 AM PDT by Supernatural (I used to care but things have changed.)
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America needs a new law regarding illegals...call it "Tough Love". In other words, "grounded"...drag em home and make them stay there till they do things right.


137 posted on 04/29/2006 5:06:03 AM PDT by Pure Country
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"Love the sinner but not the sin."


138 posted on 04/29/2006 5:15:22 AM PDT by bygolly
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Christians ask: Can you love thy neighbor but deport him, too?

If your neighbor is a thief--"Can you love thy neighbor and arrest him too?"

If not why not? More drivel from today's useful idiots.

139 posted on 04/29/2006 5:22:28 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Yes


141 posted on 04/29/2006 5:28:31 AM PDT by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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If I love him, not only can I deport him, I MUST deport him if he has broken the law. I must not let my neighbor, whom I love, to think for one minute that he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants. I must not let him entertain the notion that the law does not apply to him (this is in direct contrast to the Biblical view I am attemtpting to administer to him by loving him as my neighbor--God is no respecter of persons, you know). If I love him, I will walk him to my border, explain to him clearly as we go, why what he has done is wrong, persuade him to realize the truth of this (that his violation of our borders was wrong), expect him to own up to this by openly acknowledging his error, accept his forgiveness, explain to him the path he needs to pursue to honestly/legally obtain that which he wants, embrace him as a fellow-traveller (thinking beyond Nations here)and let him know that this is the only right way of doing things concerning this particular issue--the only path God would approve (again, we are implementing a biblically-based solution here, right. That means all parties have to, or ought to behave biblically). Lastly, I would remind him that there are those who would actually seek to instigate him to flip things around, to justify wrong behavior in the name of some higher good, they would seek by the power of sheer numbers to persuade him that this many people cannot be wrong. I would let him know that the One from whom we have received instruction to love our neighbor never did anything amiss--even for the purpose of attaining some greater good. I would also remind my neighbor of the story that this One told in which he described 2 roads and on one of those roads there were a large number of individuals (a larger number, in fact, than were on the other road in that story), but that road that was leading to destruction. The masses, thus are pictured heading in the wrong direction.


148 posted on 04/29/2006 6:08:23 AM PDT by MarDav
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This should be a no-brainer for any Christian who is committed to obeying God's commands in holy scripture. The Apostle Paul clearly instructs all Christians everywhere to obey the laws of the government under which they live. The only exception to that general rule is in those instances where the state's law demands an act which is prohibited by God's laws and ordnances, or a law which prohibits an act which God has commanded his believers to perform.

Nowhere in scripture are we told that it is permissible to break laws simply because we disagree with them on other than biblical grounds. I don't know of any commands given by Jesus Christ (or by Moses in the case of Jews) which can not be obeyed while still obeying US immigration laws. AFAIK there are no current US or state laws which prohibit providing humanitarian aid such as food, drink, shelter, or clothing to illegal immigrants by an individual or an organization.

But there are laws which prohibit hiring illegal aliens and against aiding them in committing the crime of illegal entry into the nation's borders. Any employer of illegals or any person or organization which aids and abets illegal entry is breaking both government law and God's command to obey the lawful authority of the government.

For me there are no gray areas in this matter. Christians are commanded to obey the laws of our land unless those laws conflict with the laws and commands of God as given in his word.

150 posted on 04/29/2006 7:39:55 AM PDT by epow (Psa 9:17," The wicked shall be turned into hell,, and all nations that forget God" Take note America)
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Can you love your neighbor and deport him?

OF COURSE you can! To encourage people to keep sinning (by breaking the law) is not loving at all. Christians are obligated to obey all laws...even ones they think are stupid...except those laws which demand that they break God's laws. God's law in the Old Testament commands us to genearally be kind to strangers & foreigners--but says nothing about open borders.

The Christian answer to illegal aliens is to help them to return home--in obedience to the law.

I actually was a par of that once...a Modavian fellow came to the USA on a tourist visa, thinking he could stay here. He owed the Russian mafia money for his expensive plane ticket. The Christians he knew, and the church he volunteered at helped him raise money to pay off his debt, AND when his visa was up, put him on a plane back to Moldavia. He wasn't happy to go, but knew it was the right thing to do.


153 posted on 04/29/2006 11:30:33 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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Go home and sin no more!


155 posted on 04/29/2006 11:43:58 AM PDT by R_Kangel ("He who lives in glass houses should never invite "He who is without sin" into his house!!!!")
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156 posted on 04/29/2006 12:20:38 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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If Christian people every where will base their decision on the Word of God... They will find this...Jesus Christ never broke any laws...he taught his disciples to obey the laws even though they might be wrongly imposed...so "they would not offend anyone."So what is the question here?Do we agree with the law and deport the ones that broke the law(or is the law wrong now?).It was written for this very issue you see now.


So why do people have trouble with doing the right thing?That being enforcing the law.Because they are listening to the wrong voices.We can be compassionate and still enforce the law people.


157 posted on 04/30/2006 10:36:18 AM PDT by bobwilgo
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Man, some Christians can be so mind-bogglingly stupid.


158 posted on 04/30/2006 10:38:02 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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Question: "Christians ask: Can you love thy neighbor but deport him, too?"

Response: The question implies a delightful confusion of the political and the religious concepts.

160 posted on 04/30/2006 10:41:43 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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The Christian model for immigrantion:

Ruth 1:16 And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:

The leftist/communist model for immigration:



The Christian model for immigration is one of laws, a sealed border, and legal immigration of people with an attitude like Ruth's. If you don't support a fence and deportation, you support something other than a Christian model of immigration for this nation.
168 posted on 05/01/2006 9:54:19 AM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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