You mean the Albanians who destroy churches?
Posted on 04/25/2006 8:07:22 PM PDT by x5452
Bush Says 'Tragedy' not 'Genocide' for 1915 Events
By Cihan News Agency, Washington
Published: Tuesday, April 25, 2006
zaman.com
US President George W. Bush has describe the incidents that took place in 1915 as “a tragedy”, in the message he prepared for the 91st anniversary of the so-called Armenian genocide allegations.
The White House announcement reads that the events were a tragedy for mankind and should never be forgotten. Bush, overlooking the demands of the Armenian Diaspora, did not term the incidents as “genocide.”
The event is a source of pain for all Armenians, the. President acknowledged, and Americans feel deeply for this page in history.
Bush invited all parties to take part in dialogue and determine common understanding, and he praised the parties in both Turkey and Armenia who examine the happenings of 1915 impartially, accurately and sensitively.
The Armenian Diaspora alleges a genocide occurred, Armenians were forced to leave their home in 1915; Turkey, on the contrary, refutes these allegations and advocates the deaths were caused by difficult road and weather conditions during the migration.
I believe you didn't see my next post over twenty posts before your reply.
"Bush invited all parties to take part in dialogue and determine common understanding, and he praised the parties in both Turkey and Armenia who examine the happenings of 1915 impartially, accurately and sensitively."
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The Turks murdered the Armenians - killed the men and enslaved the women and forced them to convert to the Moon-God.
What else is there to "examine"?
He must be using the same side of his brain he used to create the Harriet Miers Caper, Dubai Port Deal, and the "guest worker/amnesty" program.
Oh well, we apparently have three more years to view his steady drift to the left on social issues I suppose.
That is, unless his antics loose us Congress in 2006, in which case he'll be impeached and we will have Cheney as President - a significant improvement in my eyes.
"When the Iranian president denies the holocaust happened is it because he wants a Nazi party established in Iran."
Some (include me here) believe he already has a 'Nazi' party in Iran.
"Apparently every genocide has to perfectly model the Holocaust in order for it to be REAL, "genocide"."
No not at all. But confusing ethnic cleansing of peacable people with a war or resistance struggle dilutes the meaning of genocide. You may not think that matters. These days Abu Graib is a Gulag after all.
"Are the same standards held to resistors in the Warsaw ghetto?"
So you can't tell the difference between defensive resistance for survival and conflicts other types of conflicts?
They're using it as an occasion to try to finally force Turkey to admit what it did. They've been trying for a very long time. What the current leaders didn't do is of no consequence, only that the country admits past mistakes.
Neither Raphael Remkin, who coined the term, nor the Government of the United States, a signatory of the Genocide Treaty, would agree you. Accuse them of fantasies and demeaning genocide, not me.
Raphael Lemkin, the inventor of the term genocide
Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.
Raphael Lemkin, Axis Rule in Occupied Europe (Wash., D.C.: Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, 1944), p. 79.The crime of genocide involves a wide range of actions, including not only deprivation of life but also the prevention of life (abortions, sterilizations) and also devices considerably endangering life and health (artificial death in special camps, deliberate separation of families for depopulation purposes and so forth). All these actions are subordinated to the criminal intent to destroy or to cripple permanently a human group. The acts are directed against groups, as such, and individuals are selected for destruction only because they belong to these groups. In view of such a phenomenon the terms previously used to describe an attack upon nationhood were not adequate. Mass murder or extermination wouldn't apply in the case of sterilization because the victims not murdered, rather a people was killed through delayed action by stopping propagation. Moreover mass murder does not convey the specific losses to civilization in the form of the cultural contributions which can be made only by groups of people united through national, racial or cultural characteristics.
Raphael Lemkin, "Genocide as a Crime under International Law"
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Convention on the Punishment and Prevention of the Crime of Genocide (to which the US is a signatory)
Article IIIn the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Same time I started hating Turks, which was .... never.
I learned about the mass killings from Peter Balakian, a US colonel (retired) (an expert on Turkey), and source material from different perspectives. I became convinced tht standard Armenian line was as much propoganda as the Turkish line.
This is little more than Bush kissing some Turkish delight. 1.50 million murdered by the Turks? Nah – moderate Moslems wouldn’t do that.
As a Christian I would never insult Christ by celebrating Ramadan. What kind of evangelical is Bush anyways? Starting to have my doubts.
The Young Turk's motivation was secular, not religious. This party's motives had more to do with nationalism, plain and simple.
I think Turkish oppression of the Kurds alone should show that religion is a secondary matter for the Turks, considering both are Islamic.
The Young Turks imbibed of the same sort of revolutionary zeal that caused Stalin's crimes 20 years later.
You mean the Albanians who destroy churches?
OK, then humans are either rocks or plants.
Missed it.. OLD eyes, very OLD eyes!! LOL!
Is that in Kosovo??? How terrible!!
The considered choice of the nearly benign word 'tragedy' which invokes a natural event, an expression of God's will rather than man's, like an earthquake instead of the much more accurate and honest 'genocide' which invokes a concerted act of man's will rather than God's is possibly expedient but certainly cowardly.
Given the choice of two words, tragedy or attack, to describe Sept. 11th would either of you use the former?
The Albigensian crusade didn't claim a million victims.
The evil Bush empire had been using their secret time-machine.
Is that in Kosovo??? How terrible!!
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Yes, and if your computer ISP can handle it, watch this video of the torching of a church.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4214974207914289532&q=kosovo
The fact that Bush might capitulate to ANY muslims after promising to remedy the situation with Christian Armenians is sad.
I seriously hopes he takes the oppurtunity to make this right.
The West did nothing during World War II to protect the Jews who were being slaughtered by the Nazis.
It's all the West's fault.
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