Congress readies broad new digital copyright bill

CNET ^ | 4/23/2006 | Declan McCullagh

[Golden Eagle]

Nope, your points still don't add up, since others have been arrested for rootkits, and Sony still could face prosecution. So far, it seems to be limited to a verbal spanking.

http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/11/the_bush_admini.html

Of course, anyone who removed the rootkit is free of any charges, your claims to the contrary being without any merit whatsoever.

[Petronski]

You're in a deep hole. You should stop digging.

[Golden Eagle]

Nah, just exposing the endless BS like usual. And claiming you could get arrested by anyone anywhere for removing Sony's rootkit was a sure enough doozy.

[FLAMING DEATH]

But they haven't been prosecuted.

[Quick1]

they sell subscriptions that many pay for

Evidence. I refuse to believe that people trying to get music because they don't want to pay money for it are willing to pay a subscription.
and they install spyware on those who don't.

Which is why most people use KaZaa Lite, or even better, Bittorrent. What a ridiculous discussion, to think that terrorists make money off of people downloading FREE music and movies.

[Golden Eagle]

LOL at the flaming dude. But they're a lot closer to being prosecuted than those who REMOVED the software! LMAO!

[Golden Eagle]

Sure they do, been doing it for years.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=kazaa+subscription&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

But there are hundreds of these sites out there, most aren't even in English. To claim none of them support an anti-US agenda is the definition of absurdity.

[Quick1]

If you're going to simply post a Yahoo search about KaZaa subcriptions, maybe you should actually read the links to figure out why it's all of a sudden offering a subscription.

Sharman Networks, the company that purchased Kazaa in January, announced a deal Tuesday with Internet advertising company Double Click, as well as the creation of a new, secure delivery system that will make the company profitable, said Nikki Hemming, Sharman's CEO.

Want to take a guess as to where Sharman networks has most of their servers based in?

[Golden Eagle]

why it's all of a sudden offering a subscription.

They're obviously offering a subscription to make money on pirated software. Your claim was they weren't, at all.

Want to take a guess as to where Sharman networks has most of their servers based in?

The repositories are all over the globe. Money is siphoned from the pirates to fund whatever other illegitimate activities they are involved in.

[Quick1]

They're obviously offering a subscription to make money on pirated software. Your claim was they weren't, at all.

Really? Where did I say that? In fact, what I said is that TERRORISTS are not making money from these programs, which was YOUR claim. Also, after visiting the KaZaa website, I found no place to actually subscribe to an upgraded membership. Perhaps you are talking about scam websites, but I highly doubt those make any money (provide evidence otherwise, please, otherwise I'll assume they make about as much money as the Nigerian e-mail scams, which is to say not too much), and this legislation really has nothing to do with it, nor is there anything the US can really do about internationally based servers.

The repositories are all over the globe. Money is siphoned from the pirates to fund whatever other illegitimate activities they are involved in.

Evidence, please.

What I'm trying to tell you is that there's far more money to be made off of other illegal activities, like drugs, than there is off of P2P. You should be in the Drug War threads trying to convince everyone to legalize marijuana so that we can grow our own instead of funding terrorist activities.

[Golden Eagle]

I never said Kazaa was terrorist, I claimed sites that sell rights to pirated software like Kazaa earn income, which you tried to deny. Other sites like that exist and may and probably do fund terrorism and other illicit activities, that's what the congressional reports say.

You can rail against Congress some more if you want, and they do make many major mistakes, but enforcing US Copyright law at a time the US is under seige by international media pirates and open source cybercommunists is something I strongly support. And I don't see any reason why I shouldn't.

[Quick1]

I never said Kazaa was terrorist, I claimed sites that sell rights to pirated software like Kazaa earn income, which you tried to deny.

Show me how much money KaZaa has earned through from its users. I see no subscription area in there.

Other sites like that exist and may and probably do fund terrorism and other illicit activities, that's what the congressional reports say.

Probably, huh? Such as? I highly doubt Thepiratebay makes any money. In fact, they revel in their freeness, and they make fun of lawyers that try to come after them, since they are based in Sweden (as I recall). The only places pirates are acutally raking in the cash is when they sell bootleg copies of movies, and that happens mostly in Asian countries, which on a related note, is why the MPAA is wanting to sell movies for only $1.50 there.

You can rail against Congress some more if you want, and they do make many major mistakes

Yes they do and I certainly will. They seem to all be complete morons when it comes to technology issues. I wouldn't be surprised if half of them still used typewriters.

is under seige by international media pirates and open source cybercommunists is something I strongly support. And I don't see any reason why I shouldn't.

You really think Linux users hate America? Or Firefox users?

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with you. I should be able to use a CD that I bought and import it onto my iPod, if I so choose. I should be able to rip individual tracks from multiple CDs that I own, and create my own mixes. I should be able to make a backup DVD copy of a movie that I own, since DVDs scratch fairly easily. The RIAA and MPAA seek to outlaw FAIR USE, and that is something I will always strongly oppose.

[Golden Eagle]

Hey man, I've probably got a LOT more invested in media than you do. If anyone should be worried about something nefarious happening to their collection it's me, couple hundred DVD's and always growing, couple thousand CD's, and more legal copies of software than probably anybody you know.

So don't try to lecture me on how important it is to make backups. I make them myself, but that's not who these laws are against. They are against pirates, and you should be too instead of wasting my time trying to impress on me the value of one's media collection! Get real dude, the stuff would be a hell of lot cheaper for those of us ACTUALLY PAYING FOR IT if the media companies weren't trying to recoup the costs of all those pirated copies out there.

[Petronski]

I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with you.

Oh, don't apologize for disagreeing with him; it's a virtue.

[traviskicks]

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[taxcontrol]

I agree whole heartedly. I'm event trying to get people away from proprietary document formats within my company.... but it is slow progress at best.