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Victor Davis Hanson: Globalization, Ancient and Modern
realclearpolitics.com ^ | April 20, 2006 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/20/2006 10:35:21 AM PDT by Tolik

LEPTIS MAGNA, Libya - The most vibrant cities of the Roman Empire were often not found in Europe. Many were located along the southern and eastern Mediterranean and Aegean, such as Leptis Magna, Ephesus and Pergamum.

Some of the most impressive ruins of these lost cities are in Libya, at Leptis Magna, whose stones have survived for two millennia. Acres of roads, arches, colonnades and temples arise out of the coastal sands, making Leptis Magna one of the most arresting sites of the ancient world - albeit one closed to most Western visitors for more than 30 years. I've had the opportunity to visit Leptis Magna as a guest lecturer on a tour of the lost cities of Libya and Tunisia.

In an ironic twist, the fact that Leptis Magna and other antiquities in Libya have been off-limits for decades has meant that they haven't been much harmed by development or worn by tourist traffic. And much of the vast ancient city of Leptis Magna still remains unexcavated beneath the coastal scrub.

Once the ancient Mediterranean was brought under Roman sway - mare nostrum ("our sea") - in the first century B.C., a new homogeneous economy, from England to the Sahara, and from Spain to the Euphrates, replaced the old system of local barter. An improved standard of living among diverse peoples followed, a standard not seen again until the 18th century. Libya's Leptis Magna, for example, was as wealthy as any city in Italy, and its local son, Septimius Severus, once sat as emperor in Rome.

A common language (or, rather, two languages - Latin in the west, Greek to the east), habeas corpus, sophisticated aqueducts and good roads ensured a certain uniformity to millions of people for nearly 500 years. This Roman culture was spread not just by the military. It endured because indigenous peoples believed such imported civilization had become their own and offered them more than any past alternatives.

We are currently witnessing a second globalization of sorts. International commerce, instant global communications and high technology have created a thin veneer of sameness that has spread among millions across the world. Yet, so far, the Middle East has been largely immune to the accompanying liberalization of politics and freedom that has slowly followed open trade and free markets elsewhere.

In Libya, however, something small is awakening. Cell phones are everywhere. Unlimited access to the Internet and unrestricted satellite television are taken for granted. A once isolated and stagnant country is scrambling to provide private hotels and facilities to lure in an international business class. After the U.S. invasion of Iraq, Libya gave up its program of weapons of mass destruction.

Indeed, after Saddam Hussein was deposed, the United States was supposedly disliked worldwide, its efforts at democratization stalled in the bloodshed of the Sunni Triangle. Yet here in Libya at least, people have been friendly to me and the Americans I'm traveling with - and seem ready to resume relations and surprise Westerners with their newfound access to the outside world.

It may go mostly unspoken, but the removal of Saddam and the resulting effort to birth democracy in Iraq have sent tremors through the Middle East.

And even as Americans tire of the costs of reconstructing Iraq, millions of Arabs, who may not like interlopers in the ancient caliphate, are nevertheless curious to see Iraq's new politicians bicker and debate freely on television in a manner unseen in the past.

Look at what's been happening in the Middle East. True, the megaphones of the Arab state-run press are, as always, attacking the United States. But the Lebanese people are in a fury against their former occupiers, the Syrians. Tens of thousands of Jordanians took to the street to protest against the terror of fundamentalist Islam. Revolutionary Hamas is already looking ridiculous, as it tries to beg or cajole enough petty cash to keep its garbage collectors on the job.

And in Leptis Magna, where foreigners trickle back to rediscover the ancient sites, it's clear Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi's Libya is not quite the same place it was four years ago.

Back in America, pensioned generals and out-of-work diplomats who oversaw the failed old realpolitik of the past keep telling us that Iraq is a disaster. They are too quick to declare defeat.

The truth is that a huge rock was dropped in the stagnant Middle East pond by the removal of Saddam Hussein. If we keep our cool and remain patient, the ripples that are slowing emanating may surprise us yet - as they do out here among the majestic stones of once-forgotten Leptis Magna.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of "A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War." You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.


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To: sd-joe
Bad immigration control?

Nope, decadence. What can you say about a society that enjoys(tolerates) the slaughter of thousand of people in the arenas. Sex was pretty much reduced to poker and pokee.

21 posted on 04/20/2006 9:37:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: RobbyS
Actually the Roman Empire survived at least as a ghost until Napoleon time.

The question was and remains. Where are they now?

Of course if you believe Scriptural prophecy, they will rise again.

22 posted on 04/20/2006 9:39:59 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: itsahoot

The Romans are us.


23 posted on 04/20/2006 9:49:06 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Tolik

Add me to the VDH ping list, please.


24 posted on 04/20/2006 11:48:03 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
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To: the anti-liberal
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

Ahh, the sage advice of Hober Mallow, Mayor of Terminus. ;-D

25 posted on 04/20/2006 11:51:43 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
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To: RobbyS

And Napoleon was not French, rather Corsican. Part of Italy.


26 posted on 04/20/2006 11:55:23 PM PDT by FierceDraka ("I am not a number - I am a FREE MAN!")
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To: RobbyS
The Romans are us.

fraid so.

27 posted on 04/21/2006 7:12:16 AM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: FierceDraka
I've had this tagline for maybe six months now - yet, if you're not the first to recognize that quote, you're certainly the first to have stated it.

Congrats! :^)

28 posted on 04/21/2006 12:43:12 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: RobbyS
The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, Roman or an Empire. Charlemagne made a deal with the Pope, that if the Pope would crown him Emperor of the HRE that he would cede to me large tracks of land in central Italy. This became the "Papal States" and retarded the unification of Italy for years. The HRE did have some resemblance to the Roman Empire during Charlemagne's time, but Charlemagne was not able to hold on to his conquests for long. He never established the same power and unity that Rome did. Also, during Medieval times, learning, engineering, science, etc were not up the Roman standards.

In my opinion Napoleon's short lived "Empire" was more like Charlemagne's than Roman. Napoleon was constantly fighting in Spain, Central Europe or Russia. Napoleon was no Hitler, but his Empire was contrary to the principles of freedom set out in the American and French Revolutions (early). He did bring some unity to Europe (much of Europe got together to fight him). Be glad that he lost, imagine the French trying to run Europe.
29 posted on 04/21/2006 12:47:36 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: crazycat
Basically Gadaffi is some tribal tribal chieftain from a by-gone age(Unfortunately all too common as national leaders in the 3rd world). People of his ilk are like the German tribal chieftains that Tacitus described, meaning they are either at your feet or at your throat dependent how much power you wield.
Gadaffi is a shrewd operator, he was a 3rd World revolutionary when there was something to be gained for being a 3rd World rebel (Basically something to be gained from the USA vs USSR rivalry.) He even had a "Little Green Book" in imitation of Mao's "Little Red Book", also for awhile that book was more important then the Koran in Libya. Then with the rise of Islamic terrorism ,he was a Islamic terrorist supporter & enabler (Lockerbie & Berlin Disco). Of course all the while crushing any Islamist organizations within Libya. Now he again finds the need to redefine himself, the USSR is gone (No superpower rivalry to exploit!) and the new threat is as much a threat to him as to us. Also his internal oil industry infrastructure is all 1970s Soviet technology and crumbling. His sons are supposedly western educated and oriented. They do make the right noises. Gadaffi does want to see that his family remains in power. We shall see.
30 posted on 04/21/2006 1:05:42 PM PDT by Reily
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Be that as it may, the Holy Roman Empire--really the German-Roman Empire was a sucessor to the Christian Roman Empire founded by Constantine. Charlemagne revived the office of western emperor and it was revived again in the 10th century. The very title "Kaiser", which is translated as emperor, is the German form of Caesar.


31 posted on 04/21/2006 1:16:14 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: DuncanWaring
And didn't hesitate make a profit off of loot, tribute, and slaves.
32 posted on 04/21/2006 1:27:31 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Little Ray

That too.


33 posted on 04/21/2006 1:54:48 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother
From April. Just updating the GGG information, not sending a general distribution.

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34 posted on 07/22/2006 10:10:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tolik

The incident of red-hair is the same in Libya as it is in Ireland.


35 posted on 07/23/2006 6:16:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: itsahoot; sd-joe
sd-joe:
Bad immigration control?

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Itsahoot:
Nope, decadence.

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Nope, bad political control. -- In a bit over 200 years they went from a Republic, to "Democracy", to dictatorship.

Sound familiar?
36 posted on 07/23/2006 6:36:48 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Tolik

Please include me on your ping list.

Thanks!


37 posted on 07/23/2006 6:44:44 AM PDT by guinnessman
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To: guinnessman

Added to the VDH ping list.

Hanson BUMP


38 posted on 07/24/2006 7:00:40 AM PDT by Tolik
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